MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #5 - Chauvin Trial Day 2

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  1. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Exhibit 1: Map
    Exhibit 11: Video taken from camera taken across the street
    Exhibit 17: Photo of DC/his knee on George Floyd’s neck
    Exhibit 24- GH’s cell video
    Exhibit 25- GH’s 911 call

    (filling in some more blanks as I catch up)
     
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  2. kaen

    kaen Trying to be a good human.

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    If Mr. Floyd was not a threat, then he did not need 3 people holding him down with one of those with a knee on his neck artery. If the people gathered were the threat, they did nothing to remediate the situation. They can't have it both ways. Who was the threat? IMO, the three police officers who acted with depraved indifference to Mr. Floyd's life were the threat. The crowd understood them to be the threat and were actively calling out the officers to do their job and render aid. But, the officers did not do anything besides kneel on a dying man. It is pitiful and an affront to their badges, IMHO. I am not an officer but have many in my family--almost all, if not all, would say these monsters were not officers but rather men who acted with indifference and callousness to their person in custody. I have first aid training for professional rescuers and can easily identify the number of things they did that did not match their training.

    But, again, if the crowd was a threat and Mr. Floyd was not, they should have acted rather than killing him.
     
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  3. thx4_medic_Babby

    thx4_medic_Babby Well-Known Member

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    Don’t forget the matter of having (and spreading) the same virus leading to our 1+ year long pandemic.

    Also, the medical autopsy contradicts your last statement — assuming your assumption.
     
  4. missy1974

    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    Good point about the pants, and I was thinking about that after I posted. I really don't think that witness was that great, I might have to set my alarm to watch in the morning.
     
  5. MsBetsy

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    After watching the footage from one of the the officer's body cams, I think it was already there when they put Floyd down. Initially many did think it was urine but that was before that particular footage was released.
     
  6. missy1974

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    ahhh this makes total sense to me now too! I just assumed it was urine as well and never thought much of it until I heard the defense ask and thought it would be silly for Nelson to point that out if it was urine! thanks :)
     
  7. nightowl1975

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    My opinion is DC committed a crime if that’s the “he” you’re referring to.

    My opinion on whether or not GF committed a crime is completely irrelevant. He had the right to be arrested without being murdered by police. We shouldn’t worry that the police will murder us in broad daylight on camera and then try to gaslight us into believing we didn’t actually see what we saw with our own eyes.
     
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    missy1974 Well-Known Member

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    And this is why I had to come and ask haha I knew someone would be on top of that!
    I do not 'plan' on posting a whole lot, but I do plan on watching the trial and reading, so thanks to all of you that post links with the facts and info!
     
  9. MsBetsy

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    The officers didn't restrain him or kneel on his neck until he stopped breathing? How does the autopsy contradict that? Chauvin continued to kneel on his neck for three minutes after he lost consciousness and for a minute and a half after he had no pulse. That much we know.

    I hadn't heard that anyone involved spread the virus. Floyd had tested positive in April so it's unlikely he was contagious. Either way, that shouldn't prevent police officers from doing rescue breathing or performing CPR.
     
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    It’s not lost on me that 3 different people who were seeing the events in real time called the cops on the cops. They didn’t know GF—they just saw something very wrong happening at that moment and were compelled to call the police on the police. I think that says a lot. How often does that happen?!
     
  11. MsBetsy

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    To me it looked like Lane barely glanced at the bill. Usually it has to be held up to the light and examined. So yes, I think they would have arrested him either way.
     
  12. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    I just finished watching GH’s full testimony.

    IMO the judge was rather harsh there at the end, his “tone”. JMO. I could elaborate but I’ll pass for now (but certainly taking note of this).

    FTR: I hardly see GH as “combative”. I’ll leave it at that.



    Eta:

    ?: So who did call for the ambulance at 8:21 then, as alleged by Nelson? Do we know? If so, what are the details of that report? @dixiegirl1035



    Eta2: Wait a minute, did I just hear that right? (Rewind) Williams didn’t know about the other two officers being there until they were flipping GF over at his feet and loading him onto the gurney when the paramedics arrived? So, until that time he thought it was only DC on top of GF? Going back in for a second listen.

    Eta3: Yep, sure enough, 53:00ish here. Interesting.
     
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    The dispatch times were listed on the CAD report (I think that's what it's called) that was entered as Exhibit 151 during the 911 Operator's testimony on Day 1. It shows that EMS was initially dispatched as Code 3 at 20:20:11. Then upgraded to Code 2 at 20:21:35. EMS requested Fire Dept. assistance at 20:28:36.

    ETA: Oops... I didn't answer your question. I didn't see anything logged on that report which indicated that the dispatch was requested from a call taker, just the dispatcher's log. So, I'm not certain, but I think that the request was made via radio conversation between dispatcher and officers on scene.
     
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  14. margarita25

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    “I did call the police on the police.”
    -Williams

    (that’s one heck of a quote)



    Eta/Cont.

    Prosecuting attorney: “And why did you do that?”

    Williams: “Because I believe I witnessed a murder.



    Eta:

    Cont:

    Paraphrasing, so the prosecuting attorney asks Williams if there were other police there, to which he replies “yes”, and he asks so “why didn’t you just talk to them“? Williams replies that he didn’t have a “connection” with them...that he talked with them but they didn’t have a “human being relationship“...



    Cont.

    Attorney continues, “or did you believe they were involved?”

    Williams: “Yes, totally”.
     
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  15. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    (Updated / there’s probably already a full list out there in msm, I’m jumping around on the testimonies out of order)

    Exhibit 1: Map
    Exhibit 11: Video taken from camera across the street
    Exhibit 17: Photo of DC/his knee on George Floyd’s neck
    Exhibit 20: Williams’ 911 call
    Exhibit 24- GH’s cell video
    Exhibit 25- GH’s 911 call

    *Is there a source for transcripts? Tia. (@dixiegirl1035)



    Eta: Daaaang on Williams’ 911 call (not surprised). Well done. This guy is STrAIGHT UP. Everything he says, jmo.

    *What an asset and blessing that he, and GH were there and stood up/spoke up, tried to help the best they could, e-documented the event, etc. They both called 911...and can now serve as very strong witnesses, imo.



    eta2:
    (omggg, just seeing this, apparently the video I was watching cut off on this part and didn’t show this - I had already commented on his “tone” towards GH imo befooore I even read this. Making note to find this and watch FTR because, um, I think it’s, um, good to know if this judge might be a little, um, potentially hostile, (for lack of a better term), going forward.
     
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    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    ?



    eta:
    Wow...
     
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    Minneapolis has been heavily in favor of de-funding police. Almost all the city council voted last year to de-fund police. One of their council members even stated it was "white privilege to call 911". It's reasonable to think their constituents have similar beliefs and she seems like one who would fall into that line of ideology. Her comments, actions and combativeness as a witness makes me feel like she thinks her sphere ( Minneapolis FD) is more important than police. Despite my feeling that Chauvin is guilty I get the impression she's anti-police.
     
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    NYT
    Witnesses Describe Frustration and Fear as They Watched George Floyd Struggle

    USA TODAY
    Derek Chauvin trial live: Emotional testimony from Darnella Frazier

    NPR
    Firefighter Testifies: 'I Was Desperate To Help ... And This Human Was Denied That'

    'It Wasn't Right,' Young Woman Who Recorded Chauvin And Floyd On Video Tells Court

    ABC NEWS
    Key takeaways from Day 2 of the Derek Chauvin trial

    NBC NEWS
    Derek Chauvin trial live updates: News on George Floyd's death

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    Protesters march Monday on the first day of the trial of former Police Officer Derek Chauvin, who is facing murder charges in the death of George Floyd, in Minneapolis.Octavio Jones / Reuters



    Witnesses to George Floyd's deadly arrest tell jury of their shock, horror

    George Floyd: Firefighter, 9-year-old and teens give powerful testimony in Derek Chauvin trial - CNN

    Teens And Child Testify In Derek Chauvin Trial

    Teen who recorded George Floyd's death gives heart-wrenching testimony

    Trial of officer in the death of George Floyd brings back painful memories for many in the Triad | myfox8.com

    MMA fighter who watched George Floyd's death gives emotional testimony at Chauvin trial: 'I witnessed a murder'


    3/29/21

    BBC:
    George Floyd death: How long will Derek Chauvin trial last?

    Former officer Derek Chauvin knelt on George Floyd for 9 minutes and 29 seconds -- not the infamous 8:46 - CNN

    911 dispatcher testifies officers pinned George Floyd so long she thought her video had frozen

    As the trial for the killing of George Floyd begins, ACLU president warns America still has long road of reckoning ahead

    'Do not argue with the court': Chauvin trial judge warns witness in tense exchange

    “The judge's admonition followed Hansen's replies to defense attorney Eric Nelson.

    After Nelson asked about the mood of the crowd near the May 25 police encounter that ended in Floyd's death and whether people were angry, Hansen replied: "I don't know if you've seen anybody be killed, but it's upsetting."

    At another point, she answered "yes" before Nelson had finished asking a question.”

    3/26/21

    George Floyd's family and supporters planning prayer vigil ahead of trial | kare11.com

    "”The only thing we can do now is to pray for God to bring healing and bring deliverance," said Pastor Russell.

    One of the main goals for the Minneapolis pastor is to help prepare people spiritually for what could be an emotionally charged trial for Chauvin.

    Even he himself has experienced an emotional rollercoaster after seeing the video at the center of the case. He knows he is not alone.

    "A lot of people are really affected by what they saw on TV and not only one time," said Russell, "but it played over and over again."

    [...]

    “After Floyd's death sparked nationwide protests, Russell believes it's important to be spiritually and emotionally prepared for whatever the outcome will be in the Chauvin trial.

    "Because we don't know what's going to come of this whole thing. But one thing we can do, God you have to equip us to be able to bear whatever happens," said Russell.”


    (May 29 2020
    Derek Chauvin, the police officer who knelt on George Floyd's neck, had 18 previous complaints against him, police department says - CNN)



    Minnesota Judicial Branch - 27-CR-20-12646: State vs. Derek Chauvin
     
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  19. Wild Rose

    Wild Rose Well-Known Member

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    Thank you margarita25 for all that information. That was a lot of work.
     
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    (Lol, YW, that’s nothing, just some links, didn’t take long at all, I’ve got a little practice...)

    So, man, I’m listening to Williams’ cross examination right now. I’m finding it really interesting hearing about his diverse martial arts background and experience - many different styles. This guy knows his stuff, imo. Like I said before, he’s a badass. (Eta: And so is GH. To be a firefighter...she’s a firefighter and EMT, that deserves mad respect. As some of you may recall, I’ve been very active in the fire-oriented threads here over the years and know a LOT about firefighters, etc. Some people think they just “fight fires” -wrong. The different skills they possess...)
     
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