MN - George Floyd, 46, died in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *officers charged* #3

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ADMIN NOTE:

Generalized bashing of law enforcement is not allowed. Stick to this case and don't make blanket derogatory statements about LE.
 

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As per TOS, victim blaming has to stop.

IMO, there is nothing to indicate that Mr. Floyd even knew the bill he presented was counterfeit.
 

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Hey everyone,

This thread is dedicated to discussion of the killing of George Floyd and the officers involved in that incident.

Obviously protests and riots are occurring as a result of this terrible tragedy, but please try to keep the focus of discussion on the case itself.

WS has tried to allow political/riot/protest discussion threads in the past and they have never gone well (understatement) and we just don't have the staff to deal with all the issues.

There are just some social justice issues that will never be resolved through discussion at Websleuths.

Please stay on topic.

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Under TOS, I can't post the link to the court case because the case involved another officer who was not involved in George Floyd's death.
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You can link to the case ... just don't bring other names to the board (initials are okay).
 

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Thread is open again.

Do not bring the protests and any other political discussion to this thread.

Also a reminder that Websleuths is and always has been victim friendly. Mr. George Floyd is the victim in this tragedy. His present and future were stolen from him and he most certainly did NOT deserve to die based on his past.

Posts that are politicizing or victim blaming will result in permanent Thread Reply Bans.
 

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This thread is to discuss the case of George Floyd. It is not a thread to discuss racism in general.

Unless your post relates to this case specifically, it is off topic and will be removed.
 

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Yep - I'll be shortening these up a bit!

Tuesday, July 21st:

*Motions Hearing for all 3 – (@ 3pm CT) - MN – George Terry Floyd (46) (May 25, 2020, Minneapolis, arrested for forgery & killed in police custody) – Tou Thao (34), Thomas Kiernan Lane (37), & J. Alexander Kueng (26) were fired (5/26/20), arrested (6/3/20) & charged (6/4/20) with aiding & abetting 2nd degree murder-unintentional-while committing a felony & aiding & abetting 2nd degree manslaughter-culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk. Bond set at $1M for all or bond conditions @ $750K. Lane released (6/10/20) on $750K bond with conditions. Kueng released (6/19/20) on $750K bond with conditions. Thao released 97/4/20) on $750K bond with conditions.
Bond Conditions: Follow all instructions of probation; Conditions, other; Contact with probation; Do not ship/transport/possess or receive firearm or ammo; No contact with victim or family; Remain law-abiding; Make all future court appearances; Sign Waiver of Extradition; Post Bail $750K or Bond with No Conditions $1M.
Trial set to begin on 3/8/21.

Court info from 6/3/20 to 6/11/20 reference post #922 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, unarmed, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *arrests*

6/26/20 Update: Friday, a judge denied a motion seeking to allow pre-trial proceedings in the case of George's murder to be recorded & broadcast. "Given that this is a case that has already received substantial pretrial media coverage, the Court finds that audio or video coverage of the pretrial hearings in this case would not only violate Gen. R. Prac. 4.02(d)(v), but would risk tainting a potential Hennepin County jury pool. In addition, not all parties consent, as required by the rule," District Court Judge Peter A. Cahill wrote. Next Omnibus (pretrial) hearing for all 3 on 6/29/20 at 9am. Changed to 12:15pm.
6/29/20 Update: All 4 former officers appeared separately for approximate 10 minute hearings. So far, there is no motion to join these cases as one. Judge made clear if public officials keep talking about case & innocence/guilt. He will move this trial out of Hennepin Co. Judge also says he is open to broadcasting trial itself. But not pretrial hearings. Hennepin County Judge Peter Cahill set a March 8 trial date for the former officers if they are tried together, though he said he expected motions to be filed to separate their trials. The next court date is September 11. The defendants have not entered pleas. Judge Cahill stopped short of issuing a gag order on the lawyers, but he said one is likely if public statements continue. Cahill added that such a situation would also make him likely to grant a change-of-venue motion if one is filed. The judge has not ruled on whether to allow cameras for the trial itself, in which Minnesota usually requires the consent of all parties. Monday (6/29/20), Kueng's attorney submitted a court filing indicating that his client intends to plead not guilty, along with claims of self-defense, and using reasonable & authorized uses of force." Location of trial will be determined at a later date. Order of trial of individual defendants & whether some or all defendants are to be joined for trial will be decided at a later date. All discovery & notices shall be completed on or before 8/14/20. Motions specific to this case & capable of resolution before trial, with the exception of motions in limine, shall be served & filed on or before 8/28/20. A contested Omnibus hearing will be held on 9/11/20 at 9am. The parties shall meet & seek agreement on a proposed jury questionnaire & forward a draft of the proposed questionnaire to chambers by 11/1/20. Motion in limine shall be filed by 2/8/21. Witness liss shall be filed by 2/8/21. Proposed jury instructions shall be served & filed on or before 2/8/21. Exhibit lists shall be filed by 3/1/21.
7/4/20 Update: Thao was released Saturday (7/4/20) morning on conditional bond, according to jail records. His bail was set at $1 million without conditions and $750K with conditions.
7/7/20 Update: Earl Gray, defense attorney for Lane has filed a motion for dismissal of charges for lack of probable cause based on the entire record.
7/9/20: After defense attorneys spoke out to media, Judge Cahill issues official GAG ORDER to all involved in case out of fear of "tainting a potential jury pool." Judge Cahill & courts now working on plan for "public viewing" of body cam footage in Floyd's murder case. Specifically, those of former officers Lane & Kueng. Both videos were submitted as exhibits in a defense motion to dismiss Lane's case.
7/13/20 Update: Thao, Kueng & Lane: Filed motions to lift gag order. 7/13/20: Lane filed: Notice of Motion & Motion of media colaition objecting to limits on access to body-worn camera footage publicly filed by defendant in support of his dispositive motion. Also filed by: American Public Media Group (which owns Minnesota Public Radio); The Associated Press; Cable News Network, Inc.; CBS Broadcasting Inc. (on behalf of WCCO-TV); Court TV Media LLC; Dow Jones & Company (which publishes TheWall Street Journal); Fox/UTV Holdings, LLC (which owns KSMP-TV); Hubbard Broadcasting, Inc. (on behalf of its broadcast stations, KSTP-TV, WDIO-DT, KAAL, KOB, WNYT, WHEC-TV, and WTOP-FM); Minnesota Coalition on Government Information; The New York Times Company; The Silha Center for the Study of Media Ethics and Law; TEGNA Inc. (which owns KARE-TV); and Star Tribune Media Company LLC (collectively, the “Media Coalition”) by and through undersigned counsel, hereby submit this Memorandum in Support of their Motion Objecting to Limits on Access to Body-Worn Camera Footage Publicly Filed by Defendant in Support of his Dispositive Motion. And also filed by the above: Proposed order on media coalition's motion objecting to limits on access to body-worn camera footage publicly filed by defendant in support of his dispositive motion. 7/14/20: Lane & Thao filed: Notice of motion & motion to find Keith Ellison & John Stiles in contempt of court.
7/17/20 Update: Media: Notice of Motion & Motion of Media Coalition objecting to the Court's July 9, 2020 gag order. All Defense teams: Memo in support of Media Coalition's motion objecting to the court's July 9, 2020 gag order.
7/21/20 Update: Hearing on 7/21/20 to discuss the court’s gag order and expanded access to body camera footage.

ALSO:
*Motions Hearing (@ 3pm CT) - MN – George Terry Floyd (46) (May 25, 2020, Minneapolis, arrested for forgery & killed in police custody) - *Derek Michael Chauvin (44) police officer who held his knee on Floyd’s neck for 8 minutes & 46 seconds (& non responsive for 2 minutes & 53 seconds before officer took his knee off his neck; from 8:19pm to 8:27pm his knee was on Floyd’s neck; Minnesota prosecutors acknowledged Wednesday, June 17, that a police officer had his knee on Floyd’s neck for 7 minutes, 46 seconds, not the 8:46) has been fired (5/26/20) & arrested & charged (5/29/20) with 3rd degree murder & 2nd degree manslaughter. Charges changed (6/3/20) to 2nd degree murder-unintentional-while committing a felony, 3rd degree murder-perpetrating eminently dangerous act & evincing depraved mind & 2nd degree manslaughter-culpable negligence creating unreasonable risk. $500K bond, reset (6/8/20) @ $1.25M & $1M w/conditions. Ramsey County jail & on 5/31/20 moved to DOC maximum security facility in Oak Park Heights/Hennepin County
Bond Conditions: Follow all instructions of probation; Conditions, other; Contact with probation; Do not leave Minnesota without written court approval; Do not ship/transport/possess or receive firearm or ammo; No contact with victim or family; Remain law-abiding; Make all future court appearances; Sign Waiver of Extradition; Post Bail or Bond with No Conditions: $1,25M; Post Bail or Bond with Conditions: $1M.
Trial set to begin on 3/8/21.

Court info from 5/29/20 thru 6/11/20 reference post #922 here:
MN - George Floyd, 46, unarmed, killed in police custody, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 *arrests*

6/26/20 Update: Friday, a judge denied a motion seeking to allow pre-trial proceedings in the case of George Floyd's murder to be recorded and broadcast. "Given that this is a case that has already received substantial pretrial media coverage, the Court finds that audio or video coverage of the pretrial hearings in this case would not only violate Gen. R. Prac. 4.02(d)(v), but would risk tainting a potential Hennepin County jury pool. In addition, not all parties consent, as required by the rule," District Court Judge Peter A. Cahill wrote. Next Omnibus (pretrial) hearing on 6/29/20 @ 1:30pm changed to 12:15pm remotely via ITV.
6/29/20 Update: All 4 former officers appeared separately for approximate 10 minute hearings. So far, there is no motion to join these cases as one. Judge made clear if public officials keep talking about case & innocence/guilt. He will move this trial out of Hennepin Co. Judge also says he is open to broadcasting trial itself. But not pretrial hearings. Hennepin County Judge Peter Cahill set a March 8 trial date for the former officers if they are tried together, though he said he expected motions to be filed to separate their trials. The next court date is September 11. The defendants have not entered pleas. Judge Cahill stopped short of issuing a gag order on the lawyers, but he said one is likely if public statements continue. Cahill added that such a situation would also make him likely to grant a change-of-venue motion if one is filed. The judge has not ruled on whether to allow cameras for the trial itself, in which Minnesota usually requires the consent of all parties. Monday (6/29/20), Kueng's attorney submitted a court filing indicating that his client intends to plead not guilty, along with claims of self-defense, and using reasonable & authorized uses of force." Location of trial will be determined at a later date. Order of trial of individual defendants & whether some or all defendants are to be joined for trial will be decided at a later date. All discovery & notices shall be completed on or before 8/14/20. Motions specific to this case & capable of resolution before trial, with the exception of motions in limine, shall be served & filed on or before 8/28/20. A contested Omnibus hearing will be held on 9/11/20 at 9am. The parties shall meet & seek agreement on a proposed jury questionnaire & forward a draft of the proposed questionnaire to chambers by 11/1/20. Motion in limine shall be filed by 2/8/21. Witness liss shall be filed by 2/8/21. Proposed jury instructions shall be served & filed on or before 2/8/21. Exhibit lists shall be filed by 3/1/21. 7/13/20 Update: Chauvin files: Defendant's objection to the Court's Sua Sponte gag order.

7/17/20 Update: Media: Notice of Motion & Motion of Media Coalition objecting to the Court's July 9, 2020 gag order. All Defense teams: Memo in support of Media Coalition's motion objecting to the court's July 9, 2020 gag order.
7/21/20 Update: Hearing on 7/21/20 to discuss the court’s gag order and expanded access to body camera footage.
 

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Don't know if you all want me to keep track of this charge?

Chauvin only - Tax Evasion charge:

OTHER EVENTS AND HEARINGS
07/22/2020 Case Filed
07/22/2020 E-filed Comp-Summons Index # 1
07/22/2020 Pandemic Event
07/22/2020 Notice of Evidence and Identification Procedures Index # 2
07/22/2020 Prosecutions Recommendation for Bail Index # 3
07/22/2020 Notice of Motion and Motion Index # 4
07/22/2020 Proposed Order or Document Index # 5
07/22/2020 Notice of Case Assignment Index # 6

07/23/2020 Notice-Other Index # 7
07/23/2020 Order for Booking Index # 8 (Judicial Officer: Hawley, Sheridan )

07/28/2020 Certificate of Representation Index # 9
07/28/2020 Request for Disclosure Index # 10
07/28/2020 Notice of Remote Hearing with Instructions Index # 11

09/08/2020 First Appearance (9:00 AM) (Judicial Officer Hawley, Sheridan)

link: http://pa.courts.state.mn.us/CaseDetail.aspx?CaseID=1628217692
 

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Comment from the end of the last thread:
''They weren't detaining him for the $20 by itself. He was obviously under the influence of something and when they got there behind the wheel of a car. Surely no one thinks they should have just let him go on his merry way.''

I agree they couldn't just let him go on his merry way. But he should have been arrested and taken to jail, not killed.

How many times did he say ''I can't breathe''?

Why was Chauvin looking out at the crowd of spectators? He should have been looking down at GF since he had his knee on his neck, to make sure he wasn't using excessive force on a man who was handcuffed and was having difficulty breathing. That should have been his only focus. Other officers were there keeping an eye on the crowd. Spectators were begging Chauvin to stop and he didn't appear to make any effort to check GF's condition---he just continued to apply pressure to his neck---for 7 to 8 minutes.
 

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Comment from the end of the last thread:
''They weren't detaining him for the $20 by itself. He was obviously under the influence of something and when they got there behind the wheel of a car. Surely no one thinks they should have just let him go on his merry way.''

I agree they couldn't just let him go on his merry way. But he should have been arrested and taken to jail, not killed.

How many times did he say ''I can't breathe''?

Why was Chauvin looking out at the crowd of spectators? He should have been looking down at GF since he had his knee on his neck, to make sure he wasn't using excessive force on a man who was handcuffed and was having difficulty breathing. That should have been his only focus. Other officers were there keeping an eye on the crowd. Spectators were begging Chauvin to stop and he didn't appear to make any effort to check GF's condition---he just continued to apply pressure to his neck---for 7 to 8 minutes.
Yes, I think the body cam footage just provides further evidence that Chauvin acted with intent and malice. The officers clearly knew Floyd was in medical distress from the beginning. He was wheezing, repeating that he couldn't breath, and told them he had covid before Kueng pushed him forward to the ground and restrained him while Chauvin kneeled on his neck. Lane asked twice if they should roll him over on his side and Chauvin rebuffed him and just kept applying pressure.

Even after the officer checked his pulse and said there was none Chauvin kept it up, while looking at the crowd with a smug look on his face as if he was enjoying it. Any reasonable person would have known he was either close to death or already dead at that point, yet these were trained police officers. Not one tried to stop it.

The video makes it clear that Floyd was in distress when they got there. They saw that he had foam coming from his mouth. They obviously thought he was intoxicated. He told them over and over he couldn't breath and could barely stand up. Before any arrest was made they should have made sure he was treated medically. A medical emergency takes priority over an arrest.

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I agree that an ambulance should have been called and he should have been taken away on a stretcher, and secured to that stretcher with straps for everyone's safety. Taken to the hospital and then be returned to police custody. That is my observation.
 

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I agree medical help should have been called. Foaming at the mouth is a sign of severe meth/opioid overdose and will cause difficulty breathing. The combo of fentanyl and meth would not help his situation, but the officers should have been aware he was in a state of severe medical emergency and taken care of that immediately.
 

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