GUILTY MN - George Floyd, 46, died, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #18 - Chauvin Closing & Deliberations #1

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  1. Shaddow

    Shaddow Be the change that you wish to see in the world

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  2. Weki

    Weki Well-Known Member

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    The car did it!!!!! Lmao!
     
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  3. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    you are not required to abandon all notion of common sense.

    You are not required to accept that the car killed GF

    You are not required to believe it was the bystanders who cause GF's death

    You are not required to believe that coincidently GF decided to drop dead of heart disease at that specific moment.

    That's not common sense. That's nonsense.
     
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  4. Chelly

    Chelly Always Remember Teghan Skiba

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    Yes, I know what you mean, it's all about style.
     
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  5. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    (7) Partial Verdicts. The court may accept a partial verdict if the jury has reached a verdict on fewer than all of the charges and is unable to reach a verdict on the rest.

    Link below

     
  6. Katerz

    Katerz Verified Insider/Robert Wiggins

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    He’s nailing this home. He squashed all of the hypotheticals that Nelson threw out.
     
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  7. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    Yes, that is how juries usually go. They start at the bottom charge, and go up for discussions MOO
     
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    Lawyers walking about and speaking loudly and emphatically is likely frowned upon by the Court. Given the fact Lawyers will be speaking with no mask.
     
  9. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    9 minutes and 29 seconds of that compression was a substantial factor in his death.
     
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    Schleicher: Alright folks, they get him out of the car. He is handcuffed. He is on his knees. He is not going anywhere. There are four officers there, four officers. And what did George Floyd say once they pull them out of the car. Thank you. #DerekChauvinTrial

    Schleicher:...proning him was completely unnecessary. And this is where the excessive force begins. This is where the nine minutes and 29 seconds start because they didn't just lay him from. They did not do that.

    https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1384161798740271104?s=21

    Schleicher: Would what for the defendants actions, pushing him down, George Floyd have died that day?…use your common sense, believe your eyes, what you saw, what you saw.
     
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    Cathy Russon Retweeted
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    Judge #PeterCahill is reading #jury instructions to the jury. So preferable & the more modern way to do it. That way jurors can put the arguments into the law AND the lawyers can argue to instructions without objection. #DerekChauvinTrial #GeorgeFloyd @LawCrimeNetwork
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    Waiting for final jury instructions #DerekChauvinTrial #GeorgeFloyd. 3 charges w/multiple elements & definitions. 2nd degree non-intentional felony-murder,3rd degree depraved mind murder, and manslaughter (culpable negligence.) Watch @LawCrimeNetwork
    9am EDT w/@jessecordweber twitter.com/KenneyBaden/st…

    Prosecution closing argument happening now. Steve Schleicher shows this photo of #GeorgeFloyd in a classroom at Jack Yate High School in Houston.

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    Prosecution closing: #GeorgeFloyd struggled to breathe, a grown man crying out for his mother, he desperately pushed with his knuckles to make space to breathe.

    Prosecution closing: The defendant continued this assault for 9 min 29 seconds. When the ambulance arrived he still wouldn't get off of #GeorgeFloyd @LawCrimeNetwork

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    Prosecution closing: The state doesn't need to prove their case beyond ALL doubt. You are not required to accept nonsense. You are not required to accept the proposition that the car did it...

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    link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson
     
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    Schleicher: The fact that other causes may have contributed to George Floyd’s death just does not relieve the defendant of criminal liability.

    https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1384164922737664023?s=21

    SS: He's criminally liable for all of the consequences of his actions that naturally occur, including those consequences brought about by intervening causes.

    Schleicher: You as jurors are not required, nor should you, leave your common sense at the courthouse steps. As jurors you must rely on your common sense. That's why you're here.
     
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    SS: You're not required to believe this amazing coincidence that after this 9 min & 29 secs...that at that point in time, even though he was walking and talking, even though he was breathing...he chose that moment to die of heart disease.

    https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1384163327413080067?s=21

    Schleicher is going through this graphic on the charges and the elements jurors must consider to reach their verdicts.

    https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1384164107570487300?s=21

    SS: He's criminally liable for all of the consequences of his actions that naturally occur, including those consequences brought about by intervening causes.
     
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    Chelly Always Remember Teghan Skiba

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    ....and most likely, the days of lawyer-drama/theatrics in the courtroom are behind us.
     
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    SS: it was the low level of oxygen, it was the asphyxia that caused him to die…We know that happened because they observed during the restraint...they observed and anoxic seizure, the telltale sign of oxygen deprivation. Dr. Tobin told you that, even Dr. Fowler told you that.

    https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1384165620262969349?s=21

    SS: Dr. Tobin knows because he is a pulmonologist, he's a lung doctor….he's the only person who testified was able to calculate lung capacity volume. He could do that. Dr Baker couldn't do it...he deferred to the pulmonologist...
    Dr. Fowler couldn't do it…

    Schleicher: Dr. Tobin's opinion corroborates the police training and what the police have known for 30 years, that there's a danger for the prone position and the danger is positional asphyxia.
     
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    Schleicher had this graphic up, reinforcing the state’s experts who testified George Floyd didn’t die of a sudden cardiac arrythmia or heart attack.

    https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1384166798992367626?s=21

    SS: You heard questions about is he chewing gum, does he have a pill in his mouth…none of that matters. Because you know what...the drug level was, you know that from the toxicology report. If drugs are found in the car, they're not in George Floyd system.

    https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1384167176815333396?s=21

    Schleicher: There's no superhuman strength, there are no superhuman. Impervious to pain. Nonsense. You heard him. You saw him. He was not impervious to pain.
     
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    Schleicher: Even Dr. Fowler was critical, no one starting CPR. So that should have been done. Defendant knew how to do it. He had the training. He knew better. He just didn't do better. George Floyd didn't have to die that day…

    Schleicher: ...but for the fact that the defendant decided not to get up and not to let up, George Floyd died. And these actions were a substantial factor.

    https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1384168626148712450?s=21

    Schleicher: This was an intentional act that you see before you. He did this on purpose. That's clear. He didn’t, again, trip and fall and find himself there. And this was also unlawful force. Officers are only authorized by law to use reasonable force.
     
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    Schleicher: The only thing...about the defendants intent that we have to prove is that he applied force to George Floyd on purpose...You know, if you're doing something that hurts somebody, and you know it, and you keep doing it. You're doing it on purpose.

    https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1384169492125601797?s=21

    FYI The state is using clips of video from May 25, 2020 and also showing autopsy images. That could be difficult to see. I won’t be able to warn before it happens during this presentation.
     
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    Schleicher is not putting any passion into his closing.
     
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