GUILTY MN - George Floyd, 46, died, Minneapolis, 25 May 2020 #18 - Chauvin Closing & Deliberations #1

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  1. Bravo

    Bravo Well-Known Member

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    Lordy how does the Defense counter this in closing.
     


  2. Legally Bland

    Legally Bland Well-Known Member

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    Not sure what size these will come out:

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  3. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    73,510 watching now live on WaPo Youtube feed.

     
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  4. Bravo

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    All good Legally Bland
     
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  5. dixiegirl1035

    dixiegirl1035 I will do it, but I won't like it

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    EXACTLY! Thanks for pointing this out. He is going with the LAW!

    Appreciate such input from others at WS such as this. As emotion should not come into deliberations MOO
     
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  6. Chelly

    Chelly Always Remember Teghan Skiba

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    Excellent! When Atty Schleicher fills in the chart with Manslaughter 2nd, it would be great if you could post that too. Thanks.
     
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  7. JerseyGirl

    JerseyGirl Forum Coordinator Staff Member Forum Coordinators

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    Schleicher is now going through 3rd degree murder. “The state is not required for this charge either, to show that the defendant intended to kill George Floyd, that he committed an act that was eminently dangerous and performed with are good for human life.”

    https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1384170187377709056?s=21

    Schleicher: Indifference. Leisurely picking rocks out of the tire, commenting about the smell of the man's feet who you're pressing down, grinding on...as he tells you, you're going to kill me. I can't breathe. My stomach hurts. Uh huh. My neck hurts. Uh huh.
     
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    Cathy Russon
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    #DerekChauvinTrial - Prosecution closing: Dr. Tobin - #GeorgeFloyd died of a low level of oxygen.

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    Schleicher: Excited delirium is ridiculous. #GeorgeFloyd didn't exhibit super human strength, he wasn't impervious to the pain. (exhibit from trial testimony)

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    Prosecution closing: The state does not have to prove that the defendant had the intent to kill #GeorgeFloyd. For second-degree murder state needs to prove 3rd degree assault. That Chauvin intentionally inflicted bodily harm.

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    link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson
     
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  10. Chelly

    Chelly Always Remember Teghan Skiba

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    OK. Unless Nelson pulls off a miracle, I am convicting guilty on all three charges.
     
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  11. Bravo

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    Me too my friend
     
  12. Niner

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    Cathy Russon
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    #DerekChauvinTrial - Prosecution closing: We know Chauvin didn't listen to the bystanders but what about fellow officers? Schleicher plays audio of Lane asking if they should roll him on his side.

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    Prosecution closing: Third degree murder - Must prove Chauvin caused the death of #GeorgeFloyd by an intentional act that was eminently dangerous to other persons & acted with a mental state consisting of reckless disregard for human life...

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    link: https://twitter.com/cathyrusson
     
  13. JerseyGirl

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    Schleicher is now going through 2nd degree manslaughter & the elements jurors must consider.

    https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1384173162858831873?s=21

    Schleicher: After seeing all of this, finding the assault, finding the murder was committed, the manslaughter was committed. you have another thing to consider...Is this okay, b/c the defendant was a police officer...Was it justified? It was not.

    Schleicher: On the ground, prone handcuff, knee on the neck...the premise that that in fact, was a use of force. The defense called a witness who actually testified that that was not a use of force because that is not likely to produce pain. No, no. Not true.
     
  14. Algo214

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    Guilty on all charges, no doubt in my mind, reasonable or fabricated.
     
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    Schleicher is on a roll now. He’s hit his stride!
     
  16. Chelly

    Chelly Always Remember Teghan Skiba

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    "Being on something is not reason for use of force".

    I suspect anyone who has been on something at least once in his/her life, relates to this.
     
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    Schleicher played a clip of Chauvin explaining to Charles McMillian on 05/25/20.

    “That was his justification for using this level of force. He's a big guy, sizable guy, he might be on something, we have to control him. Control is the restraint.”

    Schleicher: Anybody poses a potential risk: big, small, in between. Everybody's a risk, not everybody's a threat. Being large, the act of being large, it's not a crime.

    https://twitter.com/anavilastra/status/1384174105746829323?s=21

    SS: Talked a lot about things that might have happened, could have happened, potentials, hypotheticals...You need to focus on what did happen. What did happen. George Floyd was not a threat, he never was. He wasn't resisting, he just wasn't able to comply.
     
  18. ilovewings

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    I think his closing is awesome: he hit all points necessary- I also think he is showing passion- not over doing it- you can tell by his voice cadence, he is outraged at what was done to George Floyd by Chauvin.
     
  19. magnolia

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    He has got to convince the Jury that his statements are more than just words. He has to convince them that he himself believes what he is saying to them.

    I'm not suggesting that he should get emotional. He needs to put more feeling behind his words. IMO
     
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  20. Chelly

    Chelly Always Remember Teghan Skiba

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    RE: lawyers showing emotion in closing: I think different parts of the the country are accustomed to more passion that other parts of the country. Many cities are laid-back. Many cities not so much. Maybe lawyers adjust their style to makeup of the jury. Just thinking aloud.
     
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