Discussion in '2000's Missing' started by Shay, Oct 11, 2005.
Been looking, DarkJodo - no luck yet, but it's got to be somewhere!
Still cannot find it ^ although that meeting is referenced in this article as well as some details about the search which is a handy case refresher.
Joshua’s dad brings search concerns to Stearns County | Maple Lake Messenger
"Guimond said he was then told by Stearns County Sheriff John Sanner that Joshua must have fallen into a swampy area of the camus. However, on Nov. 18, 2004, Bradley Wenz of the Minnesota Soil & Water Conservation District reported that he had not experienced a natural soil type that could draw in and cover a body in a short period of time."
"Monday, November 11, 2002: The entire St. John’s campus and surrounding areas were searched by horse and foot, including buildings, the power plant and all wooded areas. Divers from the Stearn’s County Sheriff’s Department searched a slough on campus after a search dog led them to the area. The Minnesota State Patrol aided in the search sending helicopters to do an arial search of the woods on and around campus, and a state-wide alert by the Bureau of Criminal Apprehension Minnesota Crime Alert Network Missing Persons Bulletin went out in all major media and twin cities newscasts.
Tuesday, November 12, 2002: Campus buildings continued to be searched, as stated by Michael Hemmesch, St. John’s Director of Communications. He also stated that the Stearns County Sheriff’s Department was conducting the search and had not yet asked for help from local volunteers. Offers from Maple Lake High School were turned down by the Stearns County Sheriff’s department, which said that only prayers were needed at this time.
Wednesday, November 13, 2002: The Minnesota National Guard stepped in to aid in the search, providing 118 troops and equipment and searching a 16-square mile area surrounding campus, including swamps and woods. After a search dog picked up Joshua’s scent near Stumpf Lake, a snake-like body of water located on the route Joshua would have taken back to his apartment, the decision to lower the water level in order to search the lake was approved. Searches and dragging of the lake uncovered no clues. Requests to totally drain Stumpf Lake awaited DNR approval.
Thursday, November 14, 2002: Brian Guimond attended a meeting and press conference at the State Capitol for families of three other missing students and met the Jenkins family, who would later help the Guimond family in their search for Joshua.
November 24, 2002: A search organized by Guimond’s family of 75-100 volunteers, mostly from Maple Lake, combed the woods around the St. John’s campus. A report from Lt. Dave Nohner from the Stearns County Sheriff’s Department said the sonar search of Stumpf Lake was unsuccessful in yielding any evidence in the disappearance.
Week of Dec 2: The Stearns County Sheriff’s Dept. had contacted and questioned eight of the nine students present at the party the night Joshua disappeared, but stated that they were unable to contact the remaining student.
"December 29, 2002: The scent of Chris Jenkins, a missing University of Minnesota student, was traced to St. John’s by Hoover, a man-trailing bloodhound hired by the Jenkins family. Hoover traced the scent to St. John’s Abbey and the dog showed interest of entering. From the apartment where Joshua was last seen, Hoover followed his scent to Stumpf Lake, on to Joshua’s apartment and then on to the Abbey."
January 5, 2003: Hoover appeared to pick up Joshua’s scent in the back of the Abbey after gaining permission to enter and then to the lake behind the Abbey."
"January 18, 2003: Hoover was brought out again and followed Joshua’s scent to Sagatagan Lake and out onto the lake. Hoover had traced the scent to the center of the lake when St John’s Life Safety staff member asked the group to leave for interfering with the investigation conducted by the Stearns County Sheriff’s Dept. and because pets were not allowed on campus. A later clarification by Michael Hemmesch, Director of Communications at St. John’s, stated that both reasons were true but the crew was actually asked to leave because the search was not coordinated through the Stearns County Sheriff’s Dept. and their search would impede on the investigation."
Very informative article you found, Dotr, thank you!! I noted that it was stated that buildings on the campus were searched. That abbey should have been at the top of the list though. I can’t remember how much time passed before they went in there, and then later into specific rooms, but in my opinion these would have been the most logical places to begin looking for answers. Having said that, I have a feeling Josh was taken somewhere off the campus.
How many times. How many times do we have to ask ourselves why, over and over and over again. We must demand answers. Enough of this, we've seen it all a hundred times. Release the information to undo your intimidations. Only LE can undo this now.
Sasquatch I also believe there are people in the St. John’s community (probably monks and staff members) who may know more than what they’re saying, as well as potentially a few souls in the surrounding community who may have information. I’d love to open up a P.O. Box to solicit information.
Has anyone came across the full version of the document attached, or know the context on why it was sent?Memo From Ramsey County Medical Examiner on Josh Guimond 2003
I have not seen that document before.
bumping for Josh. Never forgotten. St Johns needs to tell their secrets that are hidden.
At least after 16 years most people are zeroed in on one possibility. That's a healthy standing point for the case.
Joshua, we will not stop searching for the truth about what happened to you. And someday, we are going to find it.
He went to the party with friends, he left the party at random alone around midnight. A planned murder? hardly. A murder of just pure opportunity? then most likely not a monk. The monk doesn't just attack someone he may not know. A murder most likely in this case is a crime of just pure opportunity with no regards of who the victim is. With no trace but a dogs scent to the shore of stumpf lake it will now take just an outright confession from out of the blue to solve this case. Was joshs death planned out and was to be murdered because of a paper he was writing and it happened when he randomly left the party that night? No I don't believe that.
Would you care to enlighten the rest of us on how you possibly jumped to these conclusions? Or is this just more unsubstantiated opinions of yours?...
These are just unsubstantiated opinions bro.
Just curious if anyone has came across any more information regarding the group of witnesses who were walking toward a campus bus stop reported seeing someone fitting Joshua’s description near the causeway over Stumpf Lake around midnight?
I've only seen it reported in one source. I would love to get names of any of the witnesses.
I wish someone like you had been leading this investigation from the start - asking all the right questions, digging deep, not afraid to step on the poor monks’ toes, no conflict of interest, no reason to cover up the truth and a genuine desire to uncover the truth. God help these victims — the hell they have been put through by snakes posing as men of God. Sorry for the rant. We are going to turn around and it will be 20 years, then 30 with Joshua gone from this earth and no answers. Thank you for all your efforts to find out what happened to him, and thank you to every person here who hasn’t thrown in the towel.
Oct 25 2009
Joshua Guimond’s Final Journey | BehindThePineCurtain.com
Based on interviews and ongoing private investigation, here’s a summary of Joshua Guimond’s last known movements and locations (as best I’ve been able to establish) the night he disappeared, along with a campus map and numbered legend to track Guimond’s route:
Map of Saint John’s University, Collegeville, Minn.
» Josh leaves card game at Metten Court (37) to return to his apartment in St. Maur House (42).
» Josh takes the paved pedestrian walkway (not shown on map) passing between the buildings of Seton Apartments (36); observed by one eyewitness standing behind dumpster at Seton Apartments.
» Josh crosses the intersection to the left of Stumpf Lake onto the main campus; observed by group of eyewitnesses crossing culvert in direction of bus stop on exit route to I-94.
» Josh walks in direction of his apartment in Maur House (42); no further witnesses.
» At this point, Josh had to cross County Road 159; a parking lot; and walk around the tennis courts to reach his apartment in Maur House (42); however, there is no electronic record that he used his computerized key card to enter his apartment.
This has Heinrichs signature wtitten all over it. Go out driving around and just randomly grab someone on their way home.
All right, websleuthers - I am compiling a master list of questions that we would like to ask Brian Guimond (Josh's dad) regarding Josh's case. So if you have ever wanted to ask Brian anything specific, now is your chance. Either reply to this post or shoot me a PM, and I will add it to the list.
I have nothing.
What is the story of the deleted info on his computer? Has anyone tried to recover it nowadays with more skill and techniques?
What about the jogger? Any info on that?