GUILTY MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #3

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  1. Via Marple

    Via Marple Here to learn how devious minds work

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    Absolutely.

    I am probably thinking along the lines of PTSD as defence. Some mental problem rather than a total failure as an officer and a human. Guess that won't do the trick now, after staying silent for this long.
     
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    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    Thank you for this post.
     
  3. Jax49

    Jax49 Florida Native

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    Charges at Minnesota cop's trial offer jury range of options

     
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    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    Mr Harrity recalled life with his former partner.

    "I loved working with Officer Noor," he told the court, noting that the two trusted each other completely.
    The two men have not spoken since.

    In a major inconsistency for the defence, he could not say how the phrase "she slapped the car" ended up in a search warrant used for entering Ms Damond Ruszczyk's home

    The decisive question from Ms Sweasy was whether "a use of deadly force at that point would've been premature".

    "Yes, with what I had," Mr Harrity answered.

    If Mr Noor does not testify, the jury will have no direct insight as to why the officer saw a threat that warranted risking a human life.

    Cop's partner tells trial he wouldn't have shot Justine Damond Ruszczyk
     
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  5. PrairieWind

    PrairieWind Verified Attorney

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    This is fundamental problem the defense faces in this case. Its almost impossible for them to make Noor's defense without calling him to the stand. I'm interested to see if they do.
     
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    All I have to do is ask myself how the law would have treated me if I’d killed someone for as flimsy reason as they’ve offered.
     
  9. mickey2942

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    At least Minneapolis won't have to worry about riots if Noor is found "Not Guilty".

    I follow an author, John Sandford, whose main character, Lucas Davenport, used to work for Minneapolis PD, and Minnesota BCA, I would LOVE it if he had Lucas investigating Noor in a book plot!
     
  10. ilovewings

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    This case really gets to me- every time I see a picture of this lovely woman with her lovely smile, I feel ill. I think women could identify with her : she hears a noise, she does the right thing and calls the police; she is waiting for the police, perhaps a bit impatiently and she runs out in the alley when she hears the police vehicle- she is in her pajamas and slippers- she walks towards the police vehicle-- then within seconds she is fatally shot: It is a horror story--the offending officer who fired the shot is told to shut up so he shuts up--Based on what I have been reading, the police department seems more intent on covering up the facts then telling the truth about how this poor woman was blown away ---the final blow would be that this officer gets only a few years or perhaps is acquitted. I don't see how her loved ones ever recover from such a horror to be honest.
     
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  11. Rocco

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    I'm still wondering how Sgt. Shannon Barnette, the supervisor on the scene, still has her job. She turned her body cam on and off and on and off, she told Noor she was worried about him and not the condition of the victim, and she has refused to cooperate with a state investigation into the shooting. And the taxpayers are paying her?? For what??
     
  12. ilovewings

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    Apparently her oddly cold approach to this horrific shooting death is okay with her superiors---someting stinks in this police department
     
  13. Rocco

    Rocco Well-Known Member

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    So the police can refuse to cooperate in an investigation into the death of someone. Can anyone else do that? If they find a dead body in my house, can I say "Take the body and get out. I don't want to discuss this", show them the door, and refuse to talk to them again?
     
  14. mickey2942

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    Good analogy. Apparently that is EXACTLY what happens when a police officer shoots someone.

    That is why I believe that the federal government, ie, FBI, should issue a standard protocol for absolutely every single police officer involved shooting. An entire checklist to follow, so that everything is complete.

    I would like every single officer, even on duty, if they shot a person, they are mandatory required to have a blood test done for drugs and alcohol, within 45 minutes of the event. That serves two purposes, one it gets them away from the scene, which they should not be involved in anyway, and it gets a baseline to see if there were any substances involved.

    Then, once officers respond to an officer involved shooting, the body cameras are on, and evidence is collected, same as working a crime scene. No presumption of what occurred.

    The officer would have to write and sign a statement, along with any witnesses within 3 hours of the event. And the home of the officer is subject to a search, along with their person, car, backpack, whatever. Definitely if anyone else shot someone those protocols would be followed.
     
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  15. turaj

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    No kidding...I live in Minneapolis and there is a lot going on and much of it "stinks".
     
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    Police officers are contractually required to cooperate with internal investigations. When Noor refused to do that, he was fired. Sgt. Barnette is also refusing to cooperate, but she obviously has friends to help her keep her job. This isn't just DA office vs MPD. Its more complicated than that. There is a lot of politics going on here as well as good old fashioned police protecting police. There are lots of different sides here I think all in conflict. I do think that the prosecutor is doing his best, but he is having to battle a lot of things.
     
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  17. Rocco

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    Noor trial: Prosecutors drill down on origins of squad 'thump' story

    Attorneys are also exploring why the state agency returned the squad car to Minneapolis police so quickly when they knew the shot was fired from inside it.

    Sgt. Shannon Barnette then ordered the car to be washed and returned to service, although it was later sent back to the BCA for additional testing.

    Shannon Barnette---->ugh
     
  18. PrairieWind

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    If Justine slapped the side of the car somehow, there would have to be hand/finger prints on it. The fact that there were none conflicted with the story of the thump/slap on the car. It sounds like the prosecution is doing a pretty good job of exposing this. The MPD did what they could to protect Noor, but they have really (and still are) destroying their credibility and making themselves look pretty crooked in order to do it.
     
  19. Rocco

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    Experts are expected to compare the level of threat the officers faced the night of the shooting with MPD policies and national standards.

    "I believe that is going to zero in on what is the most important issue the jury is going to have to consider," said KSTP legal expert Steve Schleicher. "(It's) really the only contested issue and that is, would a reasonable police officer in the place of officer Noor have taken the same actions that he did that evening?"

    BCA special-agent-in-charge testifies at Noor trial
     
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  20. Tippy Lynn

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    I’m not sure why Sgt. Barnette still holds her position. :eek:
     

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