GUILTY MN - Justine Damond, 40, fatally shot by Minneapolis LE, 15 July 2017 #3

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  1. mickey2942

    mickey2942 Well-Known Member

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    Here is a thought, when a police recruit doesn't make the bar during training, and several people state he or she is "Unsuitable for police work", that recruit is terminated.

    An EEO settlement would be less than $100,000...if that could even be proven. That is far cheaper than $20 million.
     
  2. mickey2942

    mickey2942 Well-Known Member

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    The problem with United States law, is that most of it is archaic, with words like, "depraved" or "crimes of moral inturpitude". Many laws in effect today, were written over 100 years ago or more, with the vocabulary that was used at that time period.
     
  3. SouthAussie

    SouthAussie Well-Known Member

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    I imagine the defence are going to try to raise all kinds of things that Noor has done that show his humanity towards others.
    It won't erase the disregard that he had for Justine's innocent and helpful life that night ... not in our minds.
     
  4. Via Marple

    Via Marple Here to learn how devious minds work

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    Yes, but the lawyers should know what that means and how it is applied. They can argue 'depraved' with a layman juror, but they can't argue that with a judge. Moo
     
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  5. ilovewings

    ilovewings Well-Known Member

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    Depraved Heart Murder Definition

    I think Noor meets the definition of this description of a "depraved heart"

    the key words are " recklessly engaged in conduct which created a grave risk of death to another person, and thereby caused the death of another person".

    " To constitute depraved-heart murder, the act must have manifested a
    reckless indifference to human life in general. For example, an unjustified
    shooting at a passing train, or into a house which generally poses a risk
    to a group of individuals, and which results in death, is a familiar example
    of traditional depraved-heart murder".

    "The traditional view has since evolved. An act which poses a risk to only one
    individual and which results in that individual's death may also be deemed
    depraved-heart murder. For example, death which resulted from a beating
    has been deemed to be within the scope of depraved-heart murder statutes".

    I am interested in your thoughts as to whether you believe Noor fits into this definition.

    i think it is important that Justine Damond objectively posed absolutely no threat: only in the mind of a man who panicked and recklessly and without regard for human life, did this woman pose a threat, causing Noor to pull the trigger (maybe more than once), and shoot her dead.
     
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  6. mickey2942

    mickey2942 Well-Known Member

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    Right. I think that the appeal is grasping at straws.
     
  7. SouthAussie

    SouthAussie Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I agree that the prosecution can argue that this most certainly is a depraved heart murder. If hearing a noise can cause a person to haul off and shoot the first person that they see, it shows a deep disregard for innocent life imo.

    What if 'the noise' was a pine cone falling on the car? That gives a person the right to shoot an unarmed person in their pajamas?? Ridiculous.
     
  8. they'll get you

    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    Here we go....

    Race claims over multi-million Justine Ruszczyk payout

    The family of an African American man shot dead by Minneapolis police are demanding a $US20 million ($A29 million) payout equal to what the family of Australian life coach Justine Ruszczyk received.
    Jamar Clark's father said Ms Ruszczyk and her family were treated differently because they are white.
    "There's no justice for black people," James Clark told a rally outside Minneapolis' federal courthouse.

    "White people get all the justice".

    Race claims over multi-million Damond payout


     
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  9. ilovewings

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    I guess I should have seen this coming-- but didn't!
     
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  10. MyBelle

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    I'm not surprised and I am sympathetic to Jamar's family because the County Attorney is using an obvious double standard.

    I don't believe Jamar did anything wrong. In fact, he tried to stop an altercation. After his death, there were serious protests about the way police handled his case because several witnesses said Jamar was not resisting arrest when he was shot and police insisted he was. The County Attorney, Freeman, refused to convene a grand jury and said grand juries would no longer be used in police shooting cases yet Freeman convened a grand jury in Justine's case.

    JMO


    Grand jury proceedings will no longer be used in any police shooting cases in Hennepin County, Attorney Mike Freeman announced Wednesday.

    Freeman says the grand jury process doesn’t provide enough accountability or transparency and that those issues are “too high a hurdle to overcome” for a democratic society.

    Hennepin County Attorney: Grand Jury Proceedings Will No Longer be Used
     
  11. SouthAussie

    SouthAussie Well-Known Member

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    I dont really know if they are using a double USA standard, or if our Prime Minister making his political opinion known to the powers that be in Minneapolis had some effect on Justine's case.

    It is hard to gauge how much international stuff went on behind the scene. I do know that our foreign minister gets involved in every law-and-order thing that adversely affects an Aussie overseas, when help is needed.

    We have seen this many times. Whether or not the Aussie deserves the assistance (and Justine certainly did). The foreign minister wont go against the laws of the land, but will push for humanity and decency for all Aussies in deep strife.
     
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  12. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    I would agree that at first glance "reckless" fits better than "depraved." However once you actually read it, you see that "reckless" is included in "depraved." So I don't think it's going anywhere.

    There ARE cases that I believe warrant appeals for lack of evidence to sustain the conviction. This is not one of those cases. This jury got it right.
     
  13. ilovechili

    ilovechili Where is the wiKKed witch? Will Oct. bring her?

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    It looks as though Mpls may be paying for and dealing with the repercussions of employing "Barney Fife" for a long time to come. Barney was a lovable character meant to be comic but Barney never should have been a cop, especially one with a gun who would shoot willy nilly when scared over the littlest of things. Barney, however was fiction, Noor is not. One can support LE while saying we would hope there would be some standards and serious requirements for employment in such a position.

    I do not know enough about the other case cited above to comment or compare them. However, decisions should not be race based, thats for sure.

    Jmo.
     
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    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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    Most Noor US trial exhibits can be copied


    A US judge is granting access to most of the exhibits from the trial of a former Minneapolis policeman who shot an unarmed Australian woman in 2017

    Most Noor US trial exhibits can be copied


     
  15. mickey2942

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    Really? This has absolutely nothing to do with the race of the woman who was gunned down by a police officer who was hired and retained based on race.

    Each case is completely separate, with a completely different set of circumstances. And more importantly, was the officer who shot and killed another person another officer who had absolutely no business carrying a gun? If so, Minneapolis better work on the reasons why their officers are so poorly hired, screened and trained, or they may be making out more checks..
    BTW, will this family also be shamed into a $2 million dollar donation for a foundation that supports the NAACP?
     
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    Justine Ruszczyk sounded worried, even a little breathless, when she called police twice to report what she thought might be a woman being raped outside her Minneapolis home.

    Minutes later, an officer who responded to Ruszczyk's call for help shot and killed her.

    The audio recording of Ruszczyk's two 911 calls were released to the public Thursday. For most people, it's the first time they will hear Ruszczyk's voice before her fatal encounter with then-Minneapolis police officer Mohamed Noor.

    Ruszczyk's 911 call audio: Deep breath, worried voice
     
  17. ilovewings

    ilovewings Well-Known Member

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    Listening to her voice in that call fills me with profound sadness-
    She was being a good citizen and doing the right thing --this should
    Have been a routine call to the police, instead this call was catalyst
    That resulted in her death because the MPD allowed a trigger
    Happy incompetent officer to remain on their police force
     
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  18. SouthAussie

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    We just heard and saw a portion of one of the body cam recordings on our morning TV in Australia. The body cam vid was taken next to a squad car.

    Harrity (I think) can be heard saying "I had my gun out ...."
    Then we could hear Barnette (I think) saying quite loudly "Where is Noor??"

    Our TV presenter said the attending police were looking for Noor.

    RubyHill's posted article containing Justine's calls said the bodycam vids needed to be edited by Friday for release. Just very early Friday morning here now. Presumably, some/all of the bodycam vids are now edited for release.
     
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    they'll get you CHRIS. P. BACON

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