GUILTY MO - Elizabeth Olten, 9, St Martin's, 21 Oct 2009 #10

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  1. JennyMominRI

    JennyMominRI New Member

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    Mary Bell was British too,but yes, the horrible case you name comes to mind too.
    I think it's because the killer is a young female it reminds me more of Mary Bell. She was, I believe, 9 when she killed 2 boys
     


  2. Isabella

    Isabella Thank you! Justice for Meredith!

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    I agree. Dont get me wrong i think shes evil and she has to be punished for her crime but...i have a stepdaughter who is just 15 also. She is a "Scene" kid and wears the blue varnish AB does and the same sort of clothes. She also has had a lot of problems and i think lives in a world of her own to blot out reality. I cant help looking at her and her friends..and imagine them in prison for the rest of there lives. Allyssas life is over before its really begun. Like Elizabeths i guess :(

    The thing is though with all the problems mystep- daughter has had..i know she could never do anything to hurt anyone else let alone a child. She just loves them way too much.

    Its all so senseless :(
     
  3. lajr56

    lajr56 New Member

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    I am thinking that whole article might just be poorly written. Look at this sentence. Circuit judge Pat Joyce would not allow photography Bustamante in the adult court hearing, because she had no legal counsel.

    It makes no sense.
     
  4. ynotdivein

    ynotdivein Retired WS Staff

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    Respectfully SBM

    Thank you W8nC, for bringing me back to earth on this one. In the absence of facts (or rumors that have later proved to be true), Ynot will assume poor journalism--(ETA) or more accurately, poor editing.

    (And I bet everyone in that room was hanging on every word, very much doubt anyone minded having it on max! :hug: back atcha!)
     
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    Raebie New Member

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    I had seen rumors about post morteum mutiliation, but not dismemberment. I think (hope) it's just an extremely bad interpretation of what he meant.
     
  6. Capri

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    Kind of reminds us of when they were saying they couldn't release her gender b/c she was a minor, bringing up questions that hadn't been asked yet.

    For Elizabeth's mother's sake, I hope it's not the case.
     
  7. lajr56

    lajr56 New Member

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    Indeed....I feel the same.
     
  8. vjlaw

    vjlaw Active Member

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    I am not sure how a 15 yr old could do that with a knife.
     
  9. lawlady84

    lawlady84 New Member

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    I agree the mugshot is awful and the situation is tragic. But I can't bring myself to feel bad for her. She could have just not done it.
     
  10. Capri

    Capri New Member

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    At least not within the time frame she had.
     
  11. danni

    danni You are reinforcing my inherent mistrust of strang

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    This would have been an awesome case for "The First 48" to cover. If only!
     
  12. Isabella

    Isabella Thank you! Justice for Meredith!

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    To be honest that kind of depends on what time she really left the house bearing in mind the school bus dropped them off around 4 apparently/
     
  13. ynotdivein

    ynotdivein Retired WS Staff

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    OK don't want to get us :eek:fftopic: here. Apologies if so!

    Attendees, any thoughts on the make-up of the crowd who attended morning and afternoon sessions? Family? Supporters? Media? Onlookers? We know of the two classmates; were there other students with them? Atmosphere in rooms/demeanor of attendees during proceedings that we might not have heard of yet? TIA.
     
  14. LogicalMinds

    LogicalMinds Former Member

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    I am glad they are going to charge this sick person as an adult
    I hope they lock her up and throw away the key...forget "rehabilitation"


    what a waste....poor Elizabeth
     
  15. Recovering-Lurker

    Recovering-Lurker I'm Back and on My Best Behavior

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    This case is getting to me. On my drive home, I just thought, "I just don't get it. How could she do that?" How can you strangle, stab and cut the throat of anyone??? I was a depressed, rebelious, etc. teenager, but my God, I never thought about doing anything like this. Alyssa is obviously very disturbed and good at masking her true self to many. She needs to be locked up forever.
     
  16. lawlady84

    lawlady84 New Member

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    Personally I don't think AB would be strong enough to dismember a body
     
  17. W8nC

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    The judge, lawyers, family, witnesses, and Alyssa were in a courtroom on the 4th floor. Jodibug and I, her daughter, and her daughter's friend, were in another room with reporters, other locals, and lots of LE. Besides, the 4 of us, there were only maybe 5 or 6 others.

    There was a young woman who I think works at Prenger, who came with another woman, maybe her relative? There was also an older couple, well dressed, who took copious notes, and another older man who was wearing a Harley-Davidson hat, so maybe from the Mo Riders who raised money for EO's family last weekend. Several other people came in later. I thought maybe they were court house employees but that was just my impression.

    There were TONS of reporters outside, but oddly, only 3 in the room with us. Okay, have to confess I only know the name of one of them, KRCG's Ladd Egan (the guy who talks to NG). I grew up here in JC, then left for 20+ years and have only recently returned, so am not familiar with all the reporters around here.

    NG is showing the electric fence video right now.
     
  18. Capri

    Capri New Member

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    W8nc- So none of Alyssa's friends/boyfriend were there?
     
  19. W8nC

    W8nC New Member

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    Not unless they got into the room with family.

    Also, I must say, I missed the afternoon session - had a training session at work I couldn't skip. I understood them to say that only the onlookers who attended the morning session would be allowed into the afternoon one, the arraignment (sp?), but I may be mistaken. They gave us numbered cards to use as tickets to get back in for the afternoon. But since there were so few people, they may have let more in. Jodibug will be able to answer that next time she's on.
     
  20. gliving

    gliving Just the facts, ma'am

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    Yes, but we have the 6pm phone call to/from her mom. I've always wondered about the bus drop off too.
     
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