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  1. Blue_Dolphin308

    Blue_Dolphin308 We can't help everyone, But everyone can help some

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    The fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager Saturday by a police officer in a St. Louis suburb came after a struggle for the officer’s gun, police officials said Sunday, in an explanation that met with outrage and skepticism in the largely African-American community.The killing of the youth, Michael Brown, 18, ignited protests on Saturday and Sunday in Ferguson, Mo., a working-class suburb of about 20,000 residents. Hundreds of people gathered at the scene of the shooting to question the police and to light candles for Mr. Brown, who was planning to begin college classes on Monday.
    Mr. Brown’s stepfather, Louis Head, held a cardboard sign that said, “Ferguson police just executed my unarmed son.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/us/police-say-mike-brown-was-killed-after-struggle-for-gun.html


    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?253372-Police-shooting-of-unarmed-teenager-Michael-Brown-St-Louis&p=10861113&posted=1#post10861113

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-teen-Michael-Brown-2&p=10867195#post10867195

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  2. Kimster

    Kimster Former Member

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    :modstop:

    A couple of things:

    1) We are not going to allow links to blogs in this case without prior approval. And approvals will be tough to get.

    2) Posts directed at other posters rather than the case will earn a TO without explanation. If you have a problem with another member, use the alert feature and scroll on by OR use the ignore feature and keep it to yourself
     
  3. LambChop

    LambChop Former Member

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    Please continue here: :tyou:
     
  4. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    At the very start of the case I would see it as a valid possibility. My dad was a defense attorney in Berkeley and I grew up hearing lots of horror stories from his clients. I know many cops can be cutthroat and corrupt.

    But at this point, with what I have seen and read so far, I highly doubt that. I see MB as the aggressor because he was already in a very rebellious aggressive mode. The cop had already passed the teens by. He wasn't even going to stop, until they themselves decided NOT to follow his directives to get out of the middle of the road. They were amped up after their little robbery and had the stolen merchandise on them. Purposely calling attention to themselves, then defying the cops orders to step up on the sidewalk tells me that MB was in a reckless, devil may care mode.

    I believe very little of Dorians version of events. Just enough to clue me in to the basics. Cop backed car up to confront them, and was bum rushed, blindsided by a huge strong agitated perp who did not want to be arrested. :moo:
     
  5. AuburnTxTiger

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    In my opinion, why would there be a need for MB to struggle with LE IF MB had obeyed the LE's orders to get out of the middle of the street and stop blocking traffic? In my opinion, LE would not shoot a suspect at around 12 noon in broad daylight on a Saturday within view of so many of the residents of the apartment complex.
    During the several times I have been stopped for speeding in my lifetime, I have not argued with LE. Even if I thought I had not been speeding, I would never have dreamed of arguing with LE. In my opinion, LE deserves respect.
     
  6. tlcya

    tlcya Well-Known Member

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    I KNEW this would happen. Was in the process of responding to multiple posts and the thread closed. lol. Thank goodness I copied before hitting send.

    I don't. I do think there may be video of the actual shooting but if there was video of that I would think it would have been released. Someone would have been out selling it to the highest bidder to make a buck or even youtubing it to show how the officer shot down the unarmed teen. Because I believe that the beginning of the interaction between MB and DW was the catalyst for all that came after. I think it would be very unlikely that someone would happen to be filming two young men walking down the middle of the street as a police car was rolling up behind them wanting to get past. Because at that point in the events of that day, nobody could possibly know that something was about to go horribly awry.

    I found him the most honest of the witnesses so far frankly. He said what he saw and what assumptions he was making based on what he was seeing but distinguished what he actually could say he saw clearly and what he thought he was seeing but could not be sure of. He was some distance away. He assumed there was struggle involving both men through the window of the squad car. His assumption was punches but he could not say definitively.

    A media thread would be very helpful. Maybe even one for tweets and another for articles/videos. Of course a media thread is only going to be as useful as we make it by stocking it with links and snips for ease of finding things we want to reference later.

    May have come out sounds so gosh darn spontaneous. lol. Notice he does not feed us the story DJ did during the first two days which was that DW pulled MB into the open window of the car and pulled his gun pointing at MB while saying "I'm going to shoot you" Ludicrous. Smart enough to stay away from trying to push that particular BS. Instead the gun may have just mysteriously "come out"

    Respectfully disagree. If MB has a juvie record that features violence, gross disrespect for authority figures it absolutely goes to his possible state of mind and method of dealing with others on that day.

    Yep.

    ETA as would any documented racism or incidences or complaints of abuse of power against DW

    MOO
     
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    I believe the GJ will look at several things and only A: Did MB assault the police officer? Yes or No. Making no difference whether he used the cruiser door as a to do it, or punched him in the face. Either way he assaulted the officer which is a felony. B: Did the officer have a reasonable reason to fear for his life or more bodily harm? Even with that absent, as a Felon he is authorized by MO Statute to pursue and use deadly force. IF he attempted to grab the officer's gun it only adds insult to injury. C: Did MB actually have his hands in the air to surrender? IF so, was he in that position long enough for the officer to react and retreat? If one looks at the recent video of the man shot a couple days ago nearby. It only took about 3 seconds to pump I believe 9 bullets in him.

    All the business about MB's education, juvenile record, good kid or bad kid even the prior misdemeanor prior to the shooting has nothing to do with whether the officer had the right to take the actions he did. However I do believe that did factor into the way MB approached the officer in an aggressive way. In his mind he thought he was being busted for what he had just done.

    JMO
     
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/22/michael-brown-grand-jury_n_5701455.html


    Grand Jury
    'There are three black people on the grand jury, one man and two women. The rest of the jury comprises six white men and three white women. The demographics of the jury roughly coincide with the racial makeup of St. Louis County itself, which is 68 percent white and 24 percent black. But race has already played a major role in this case, as it has garnered international attention and sparked conversation about racial discrimination and inequality prompting demonstrators to protest nationwide.'
     
  10. Muffet

    Muffet Autocorrect is my worst enema

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    Can a legal Eagle here tell us if there are ever judicial judgements given to juveniles where a reduced sentence is contingent upon avoiding getting caught for more criminal behavior once adulthood is reached?

    Details about that would be interesting, since it might add even more motivation to avoid arrest.
     
  11. CoolJ

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    OK how about this. Let's just say that MB did walk over to the window and started throwing punches unprovoked. Let's say the gun was in the holster and MB went for it and somehow we knew his intent was to kill. But he couldn't get the gun so he ran away... Is it still ok for A LEO to gun him down as he is walking away or is the proper response to Point your gun at him and order him to raise his hands and get on his knees?
     
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    This Dorian character.... FBI will get the truth out of him, same with the female eye witnesses. They will put this story together. But will those in power allow the full story to be revealed? That is the question..
     
  13. TexanMom

    TexanMom New Member

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    He wasn't shot while walking away. He was shot as he was coming back towards DW.
     
  14. popsicle

    popsicle faith hope love

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    JLSChook Fin's Pet

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    If it happened the way you explained in your scenario, YES, LE could shoot him. (fleeing felon who is dangerous to society or LE)

    I posted the link many times in these threads. If you would like it again, please let me know.
    However, all shots were to the front.
     
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    popsicle faith hope love

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    Lovejac These boys are my heartstrings!

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    I agree. I can't logically stretch my mind to believe that MB was trying to save his own life, or that he was even fearful for his life.

    *MB showed no fear when he stole from, assaulted and then intimidated the storekeeper
    *MB showed no fear when he decided to walk in the middle of the road when there was a sidewalk available
    *MB showed no fear when he refused a direct request from LE to stop walking in the road
    *MB showed no fear when he reached in the car to strike LE
    *MB showed no fear when he tried to get LE gun

    BTW, remember when we heard on Wed about proof that MB had touched Officer Wilson's gun? Have we heard anything further about that?
     
  18. CoolJ

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    Oh goodness gracious... No that is another assumption. Most eye witness reports have him being shot at while walking away. Those bullet holes on the ventral side of his arm are what is exposed from behind. Either that or arms overhead. Notice I am saying that is what was reported. I am not stating anything as fact. It's cool if you believe this was a justified killing , nothing wrong with having an opinion. <mod snip>
     
  19. CHERIE.T

    CHERIE.T Former Member

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    I say it is not ok to gun him down as he is walking away. I hope DW is not guilty of any crime. However, I find the 4 witnesses that say he was shooting as MB walked away a big problem for DW.
     
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