MO - Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #11

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  1. KaylynnCouture

    KaylynnCouture New Member

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    An AMBER Alert was issued for 10-month-old Lisa Irwin on Tuesday, October 4th after she was abducted from her crib during the early morning hours. As of today (Sunday), no suspects have been identified, and the AMBER Alert has been canceled.

    Lisa is 10 months old. She has blue eyes and blonde hair. She is 30 inches tall and weighs between 26 and 30 pounds. Lisa was last seen wearing purple shorts and a purple shirt with white kittens on it.
    Lisa is described as having two bottom teeth, a small bug bite under her left ear, a beauty mark on her right outer thigh and currently has a cold with a cough.

    Anyone with information is asked to call 9-1-1, your local police agency, or the Kansas City TIPS Hotline at 816-474-8477.

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    -[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=150960"]Thread 10[/ame]



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  3. KaylynnCouture

    KaylynnCouture New Member

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    Sorry it took me so long to get this thread up. It takes forever to link those previous threads!
     
  4. wfgodot

    wfgodot Former Member

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    Thanks, KaylynnCouture.
     
  5. trillian

    trillian New Member

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    Bringing this from the end of the last thread:

    How was she transported???

    Either abduction or parent crime.... there needed to be some form of transport for little Lisa to be removed from the home.

    If she was deceased by one or both parents and didnt need a car seat, then there should be evidence in one of their cars (as well as near or in the home). Unless they did a really good job wrapping her, the dogs should pick it up. Otherwise, if it's the parents, then likely it was another car.

    If an intruder took her and she is alive, it would have required a car seat. You cannot just drive around with a 10mo old loose in a car, unless you perhaps have an accomplice holding her sitting on the floor or something, or in back of a van. But I dont think you can do it alone and not draw attention. You either have a car seat or an accomplice, or risk looking strange to other cars. (you could put her in a trunk. but if you want to keep the baby, not likely)

    You couldnt walk her out for sure, not for long anyway. Could you walk all the way to the river without being noticed?

    I wonder if they have looked at people who recently bought car seats in the area? Or asked recent craigslist sellers of anyone suspicious who bought one.

    What I am saying is basically, if she is alive, there is likely a carseat out there.

    Any other ideas? (Sorry if this has already been brought up, I have read almost everything and didnt see it)
     
  6. NancyA

    NancyA New Member

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    Just popping in to see if there are any new developments - a quick skim of the last few pages of the previous thread tells me there aren't. I have guests coming by pretty soon so will be out of touch for a few hours. Many thanks in advance to all those posters continuing to keep the threads and info flowing.
     
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    shefner Websleuth Member

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    Once again, to recognize how few non-family INFANT abductions there are, here are our statistics....

    Since 1983 (almost 30 years), there have only been 278 INFANT abductions (babies in the first year of life). Of these, only 12 infants have not been recovered or located. Of the 278, almost half of these were newborn abductions from hospitals. So...as we look at 30 years, we can see how few non-family infant abductions there are.

    ETA: I hate to say "only" 278 infant abductions....just 1 would be too many. But when you compare infant abductions to child abductions the numbers are very low.
     
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    marycarney Inactive

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    Today is my one year anniversary of being a WS member- can I say what an interesting, stimulating and well-run forum this is? I work the overnight shift in a pediatric ICU, and children are my special calling in life.

    PLEASE let this little one be found - whole, well-cared for and SOON.
     
  9. pferrin

    pferrin New Member

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    kmartin..sorry you went thru that..get a pound puppy. they are so loyal and will protect you thru thick or thin. ...Not counting the love they give. I never regret having dogs...ever. They have protected me as a child and as an adult.
     
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    wfgodot Former Member

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    Oh, also, I brought over all the tags from Thread #10, but I've about reached the max number I can post, so if we start talking about something really interesting, or a new person or place, please do a tag for it. Thanks!
     
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    Is there a psychic thread regarding this case? If so, how do I get there? Thanks :)
     
  12. Lavanda Dolce

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    MsDetective, I believe she did. I recall she said her friends' child was four.
     
  13. lauriej

    lauriej 'wild rose country...'

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    ..they were using the dogs very early on..

    http://www.globaltvbc.com/world/kan...search+moves+to+2nd+day/6442495610/story.html

    On Wednesday, FBI agents with dogs searched the family's home, a light-green ranch-style home in a cozy neighbourhood along a winding street. An FBI spokeswoman acknowledged the agency was committing significant resources to the search, but declined to discuss why the agents entered the home or what they found.


    http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/05/3190150/as-search-continues-parents-plead.html

    More than 300 law enforcement officers have been involved in the search. Authorities have conducted three shoulder-to-shoulder searches in woods near the home and have deployed police dogs several times.

    “Unfortunately, none of those have really led us anywhere,” Young said.
    On Wednesday, FBI personnel in protective clothing gathered original scents from the house so they would have something for specially trained dogs to track. Those dogs started working late Wednesday morning, Young said.
     
  14. KaylynnCouture

    KaylynnCouture New Member

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    No, the Astrology forum closed back in July, I'm pretty sure.
     
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    grandmaj Former Member

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    So besides re-enacting the window which was being either recorded or pictures taken by a detective from what I can see in the pics, did they do anything else? Anyone?
     
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    Lavanda Dolce Former Member

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    cluciano63 Well-Known Member

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    Lisa had to have been taken away from the house on foot (carried) at least initially, why no scent? Are dogs not helpful when leading from the home of the missing? Too many scents to follow from daily activities? I guess I always count on dogs too much but there seems to be a lot that can't be determined. (I know there is always the right kind of dog, right kind of training debate...) Anyway, JMO.
     
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    I think that's all they did - the window/screen - but the media tagged it as "a re-creation" or whatever, making it sound more grand than it really was. Haven't seen anything in MSM that says if they did anything else.
     
  19. KaylynnCouture

    KaylynnCouture New Member

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    Bringing these 2 media links over from the last thread..

    Deborah Bradley Still Married to Another Man:
    [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7208541#post7208541"]MO MO - AMBER ALERT: Lisa Irwin, 10 months, Kansas City, 4 Oct 2011 - #11 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

    Family Hands Out Flyers To 80,000 Nascar Fans Today:
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap...C3XtRQ?docId=e0b84fb364ed4281aa48dd80f9f7c774

    Also, just so everyone knows, baby Lisa turns 11 months old on Tuesday.
     
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    KaylynnCouture New Member

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    I could be wrong but don't dogs trace scents on the ground? If baby Lisa was carried, not walking, her scent wouldn't be on the ground..
     
  21. KellyConQueso

    KellyConQueso Verified Cheesy Goodness

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    I have trying to keep up with this thread but have a few questions that I hope someone can answer for me

    • Is there a military base within 100 miles of the Irwin household?
    • A few days back there was mention of a call made/received from one of the stolen phones after midnight. Has this been verified by LE?
    • Has anyone been verified as the person walking down the street with a baby that was seen by the neighbor?
     
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