MO - Off-duty firefighter stops man armed w/ 100 rounds of ammo at S Springfield Walmart, 8 Aug 2019

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  1. Boxer

    Boxer Well-Known Member

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    Truck driver. Has anyone seen if he is a citizen?
     
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  2. Boxer

    Boxer Well-Known Member

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    MOO. That he was going into an crowded place with an assault weapon, with the intent to create conflict is factual.
     
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    Rocky1 Well-Known Member

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    Here's a quote from the article below.

    According to this article, Kollie was arrested because he lied on a federal form about whether or not he used drugs, not because he was drug tested after arrested.

    If you are arrested for a motor vehicle offence, or a drug related offence, then yes they'll drug test you in jail, but in most cases, drug testing is a condition of probation, or after you are incarserated in prison.
    After reading this article, it appears that Kollie admitted to not only smoking pot, but taking mushrooms and acid as well.
    I'll bet seeing as he was arrested for lying about using drugs, he was drug tested before the ink was dry from taking his fingerprints They'd want evidence of that.

    Feds: Dayton Gunman's Friend Helped Hide Body Armor And Ammo From Shooter's Parents
     
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    Rocky1 Well-Known Member

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    Who said it's factual?
    He claims all he was doing was exercising his second amendment right, and that he was surprised that the people acted the way they did.
     
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    Boxer Well-Known Member

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    His intent to find resistance to his weapon.

    Do you think that Walmart should ban guns because of this?
     
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    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    Here's the link again to the news release, probable cause statement, etc. from the Greene County Prosecutor's Office about the incident. It describes the event differently than is sometimes portrayed in the news media, claiming he was acting recklessly in the store. The prosecutor was well aware of Andreychenko's right to carry the arms, but felt his behavior warranted arrest and that if he wanted to exercise that right, he should have done so in a more responsible manner.

    In the felony complaint, they allege he knowingly communicated an implied a threat to the people inside of Walmart.

    DMITRIY N. ANDREYCHENKO
     
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    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    Well, that's the officer's word, we'll see how Kollie's case works out.

    OTOH, when someone is brandishing loaded weapons in a Walmart store, and where purchase of those weapons is contingent upon the owner not using drugs, drug testing should always be done. It should apply just as it does for testing someone who is pulled over for DUI or driving erratically. No different.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    No. I'm not sure how you got that from what I said.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    He can try but he's going to lose that kind of lawsuit IMO.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Were they wearing full body armor and saying weird things to people, though?

    I think context matters.

    Don't get me wrong- I think he's got a good chance to prevail in the criminal case.
    Dismissal or possible acquittal.

    However, I think the reason for the arrest was a valid one.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    I think the difference is body armor, behavior and speech. But you're abolsutely right - the timing was key in the arrest and charges.

    The question will be whether the context also makes what he wore and how he acted a terroristic threat in light of the recent shootings. Does that make the timing of his behavior constitute a terroristic threat? Do you know what I mean? Like would the legal system consider that he knew it would cause chaos and fear due to the timing and thus it constituted the inference of a threat?

    We shall see.
     
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    It is interesting. Outcomes matter.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    They can't. They need a subpoena.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    Good point. I think it's pretty evident he wanted to cause a ruckus but how knows? Maybe he will claim he was terrified due to shootings so he decided to show up in body armor and armed to protect himself and anyone else who might become a victim.

    I think that might be contrary to statements he's made about being peeved he can open carry but can't buy a gun until age 21 though.
     
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    gitana1 Verified Attorney

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    I don't see that he said anything threatening in the store.

    He seems like one of those ship stirring 1st amendment auditors or sovereign citizens.

    I think he's getting away way this stunt. The complaint doesn't allege anything illegal on its face. He had a reason that he stated for doing what he did and he didn't say he wanted to scare people. In fact, he stupidly "didn't think" people would react the way they did.
     
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    If security guards or cops had blown this guy away - I would've nominated him for a Darwin Award and given the cop/guard a medal. This guy is an idiot and is lucky to be alive.
     
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    Me either and WM confirmed it's allowed in their statement to the news station. As long as everything backs up what he says, I think the charges should be dropped.
     
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    He was born in the Ukraine and moved to the US at the age of 2. He is not a US citizen.
     
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