MO - Off-duty officer (Katlyn Alix) shot dead by on-duty officer (Nathaniel Hendren), Jan 2019

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  1. Falcon500

    Falcon500 Verified Law Enforcement Detective/L.E. Procedures

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    If it’s miles and miles away from your beat courtesy would dictate that you ask your supervisor. If it’s not very far then you just do it. Now all of that applies to a city department.

    If you work in a rural county it might be just you and Joe covering a lot of territory. In that case there is a lot more freedom and it really doesn’t matter where you go.
     


  2. SandyQLS

    SandyQLS may your life be filled with acorns

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    The more I think about it, I think it's true that they were playing RR. That doesn't explain why these two were goofing off instead of out on patrol. <modsnip - no link for facts > Sgts in a large city PD are usually gray-haired old guys with 10-20-30 years in, experienced, keep the young guys in line. Fail all the way around.
     
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  3. SandyQLS

    SandyQLS may your life be filled with acorns

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    The address is listed on the document.

    Per Zillow, this is a two-unit duplex structure. I wonder who owns the building and who rents the other unit, were they home, did they hear anything?

    https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/750-Dover-Pl-Saint-Louis-MO-63111/2955636_zpid/

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  5. SandyQLS

    SandyQLS may your life be filled with acorns

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    But the partner in this case is the supervisor, SGT Hellmeier.

    It's one thing to stop home while on duty for a legitimate purpose... quite another to be there to socialize and play Darwin Award games.

    Who said this story is like a Wambaugh novel?
     
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    In the medium-sized city where my BIL works, the city is divided into 4 quadrants (Patrol East,etc). Within those quadrants there are beats, a number of blocks that officers are assigned to. It would not be at all unusual to be in a different beat. It WOULD be unusual to be in a different Patrol area. I wonder how St. Louis defines their districts. And were they on a lunch break?
     
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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.st...4a9e9c9a-0b41-56e3-9f11-41b547a2e4dc.amp.html

    Every article is missing something, but this one seems quite comprehensive.

    The shot went off at 12:56 am? Or that is when it was called in.

    The officers drove Alix to the hospital, and Officer Hendren (shooter) apparently "head butted the police SUV and shattered the windshield, he is currently in the hospital, condition unknown".

    So, you shoot your friend, put her in the back of a police car? Why not call an ambulance? Then, you decide to headbutt the windshield? This really makes no sense.
     
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    Thank you for your opinions and analysis in this case.
     
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    Drugs would explain the head butting and the whole situation. Cocaine? Meth? Bath salts? Spice? Or a combination of drugs. How common is angel dust in Missouri?
     
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    Sounds like he understood he'd destroyed several lives including his own. If he busted the windshield with his head the very least he's done is concussed himself. And perhaps even caused a subdural hematoma. That's an incredible force with one's own cranium.
     
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    Curious to know whose fingerprints were on the revolver?
     
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    They both had years of experience in the military. The victim was previously a military police officer in the army. The other was a Marine. They both had years of experience beyond civilian LE. A child knows better than to play Russian Roulette. Two cops playing that...I don't buy it.
     
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    Thanks to the mod(s) for cleaning up this thread.
     
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    Or your partner was so angry they got into a fight? It takes a significant amount of force to shatter a windshield.

    If this guy was playing roulette and then bashes his head into a windshield, he really does merit the "Darwin Award", as someone mentioned previously.
     
  17. SandyQLS

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    Military experience only improves their application to join the PD. They still go to 6 months of Academy like anyone else. The SGT is the direct supervisor of many patrol officers and vehicles. He is the backup, the problem solver, the person to radio, and in charge of multiple fluid events on shift. This SGT was incapable of supervising the one guy in his car with him, and was out of the district full of others he was supervising, assisting, checking up on. If Herndon was uncontrollable, the SGT should have contacted the Commander. I expect he is not only losing his rank but his job. His involvement in the situation at all is testimony to his immaturity and inexperience.

    Is this a systemic problem with the St Louis PD?
     
  18. SandyQLS

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    One would think he should have failed the MMPI and other psych evals before he was hired.
     
  19. bwt42

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    The two on duty cops leave roll call and go directly to one officers home 2 miles out of their district & meet up with a off duty female officer who just happens to stop by. Rendezvous for sure, but for what purpose.
     
  20. flute4peace

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    They could likely get to the hospital faster by taking her directly., especially with the ability to run hot.

    About the head-bash, my speculation is that it was done out of frustration, self-anger. He had to know he was in deep **** at that point - not to mention that his friend was dead at his hand.

    IMO/MOO
     
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