MO - Six Mohler family members for child sex crimes, Bates City 2009 #2

[Texas Mist]

I'm surprised that some seem to think Kidd's name should not have been released. Names of POI's have been released in many, many of the cases we follow here. It is not unusual at all.

Salem

Kidd was arrested on suspicion of rape from what I've read

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/11/13/missouri.child.sexual.abuse/

Now, if ya google "arrested on suspicion of rape", it's interesting how many links ya get to news stories.

So it appears to me that LE often arrests on 'suspicion' of a crime - and the the arrestee's name is public.

I don't understand why it is unethical when the public's safety could be of concern.

Too bad I lost my post with my thoughts on this in the previous thread.

I'm trying too to understand why arresting someone then letting them go is unethical, and apparently not SOP.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

I'm trying too to understand why arresting someone then letting them go is unethical, and apparently not SOP.

Its not! Better be safe then sorry!

 

[lbminnesota]

I'm surprised that some seem to think Kidd's name should not have been released. Names of POI's have been released in many, many of the cases we follow here. It is not unusual at all.

Salem

POI yes, but you don't see an arrest and release in less than 24 hours. They had nothing substanial on him. In my opinion, it's not appropriate in a high profile case and it smells of class prejudice. If Kidd were a man of means, they wouldn't have been so quick to splash his name all over the news with only a tip.

 

[Texas Mist]

How many times have we heard that the alleged perp, was sick to his stomach because of the allegations that he had against him??? Doesn't make him any less guilty imo! Just seems to me they are looking for sympathy and trying to make us feel sorry for him, rather then the alleged victim!

I wanted to hurrrl when I read that 3 of the 5 appeared to be crying when brought into court...sounds just like a pedo perp's reactions to me....it's all about them & how 'bad' life just got for them. ugh.

JMOOOC.

 

[fran]

I'm surprised that some seem to think Kidd's name should not have been released. Names of POI's have been released in many, many of the cases we follow here. It is not unusual at all.

Salem

Just FWIW, I know of someone who was arrested for a crime against a minor. It was published in our local newspaper, which was how I found out.

Anyway, I NEVER believed the accusations. It was against a child, a local case, but in many respecects, it was different than this case.

FWIW, although I did NOT like this person, (I knew him in a professional setting), I NEVER for a MINUTE believed the allegations. I didn't follow the case step-by-step, I felt that the situation was misunderstood. The bottom line was, the guy was tried, and found NOT GUILTY.............I wasn't surprised by the out-come. HOWEVER, his business and career were destroyed. (kids WERE his business) long story..............

OTOH, I also know of someone who WAS abused, over a six year period, who didn't tell anyone for five or six years AFTER the abuse ceased.

Did I believe the accuser?....................You betcha'!

Was the accused tried and convicted?..................NO! He should have been,..............but the mom just wanted to get her AWAY from the piecie of sh^T!

Was what happened wrong?...............YES!
Should he have been in jail?...............YES!

But................it was her dad...........She chose to RUN!

Who am I to judge?

Surpressed memory?...................You betcha'!!!!!!!!!

JMHO
fran

 

[Fairy1]

This is what I read also, Ada. But, iirc, Fairy1 had some different information. I was going to ask her for a link or explanation before we were so rudely interrupted.

So... I will ask now - Fairy - was it you that thought the brother was in court and the media mis-reported? If so, could you link the info?

Thanks,

Salem

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/551/story/1051823.html

http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-story-mohler-new-arrest-111309,0,4250604.story?track=rss

I did not see the reference to Merrill Clark - the cousin - before today.

 

[Texas Mist]

Regarding a tip to LE and them arresting someone on suspicion of rape -- I wonder this:

What would people say about this happening & LE *didn't* at least *try* to find out what's up?

The Sowell serial killer case comes to mind -- I was reading earlier that he was reported & a detective said the vic was not credible...people are now all up in arms over Sowell being overlooked.

Where does LE draw the line -- especially in the case of the vics being children?

I just have the feeling that people would be upset if LE didn't look into the leads & tips they get on this case.

Seems like LE will be damned if they do, and damned if they don't no matter what.

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Alumbaugh also said Friday that a search on the property formerly owned by family members had been completed and that he expected additional charges against the suspects.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/ap_on_re_us/us_family_sex_crimes

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

Officials say that "numerous" more charges are pending against the men. Authorities say that they have halted the search of the rural home where the crimes allegedly took place for the weekend, but will continue on Monday

http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-story-mohler-new-arrest-111309,0,4250604.story

 

[lbminnesota]

Regarding a tip to LE and them arresting someone on suspicion of rape -- I wonder this:

What would people say about this happening & LE *didn't* at least *try* to find out what's up?

The Sowell serial killer case comes to mind -- I was reading earlier that he was reported & a detective said the vic was not credible...people are now all up in arms over Sowell being overlooked.

Where does LE draw the line -- especially in the case of the vics being children?

I just have the feeling that people would be upset if LE didn't look into the leads & tips they get on this case.


I absolutely agree that each tip must be investigated. My concern is making an arrest and releasing the name prior to bringing the POI in to speak with police. I would expect they are speaking with many people and don't need to know the names until there is an arrest. This case has the potential to get out-of-control like the FLDS and the truth will be lost.

 

[Salem]

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/551/story/1051823.html

http://www.fox4kc.com/wdaf-story-mohler-new-arrest-111309,0,4250604.story?track=rss

I did not see the reference to Merrill Clark - the cousin - before today.

Okay, the way I read this, Clark says he attended the hearing and DMohler is quoted by the Associated Press from his home in FL. So... I think it was the cousin that attended the hearing and DM was interviewed from his home in FL.

Thank you for the links, they helped alot!

Salem

 

[Blue_Dolphin308]

interesting comments!

http://www.topix.net/forum/source/fox4kc/TRV17SJKVEVSNGCRC/p2#c37

 

[Texas Mist]

I guess I missed the info where Kidd's name was released before he was arrested...everything I've read was that he was arrested-- haven't read anything saying that he was a suspect or POI prior to reading about his arrest.

Re: FLDS -- are you referring to the recent trials scheduled in TX? Raymond Jessop was just tried & convicted to 10 years.....there are more trials scheduled....I never thought the TX investigation was out of control, and had many heated discussions w/ DBF over it....but then, I tend to err on the side of child victims and take heat over it IRL.

 

[lbminnesota]

Okay, the way I read this, Clark says he attended the hearing and DMohler is quoted by the Associated Press from his home in FL. So... I think it was the cousin that attended the hearing and DM was interviewed from his home in FL.

Thank you for the links, they helped alot!

Salem

If I were Merrill, not sure I'd want to announce being part of this group.

 

[lbminnesota]

I guess I missed the info where Kidd's name was released before he was arrested...everything I've read was that he was arrested-- haven't read anything saying that he was a suspect or POI prior to reading about his arrest.

Re: FLDS -- are you referring to the recent trials scheduled in TX? Raymond Jessop was just tried & convicted to 10 years.....there are more trials scheduled....I never thought the TX investigation was out of control, and had many heated discussions w/ DBF over it....but then, I tend to err on the side of child victims and take heat over it IRL.

I'm referring to the TX investigation. My take...law enforcement finally has a chance to get in and see what the heck is happening to these children. But there was no planning to achieve a goal. In the end, nothing was achieved. This case potentially spans over 25 years. With no physical evidence (small chance they will find the notes), law enforcement has an uphill battle.

 

[Missizzy]

The whole issue of Merrill Clark, the cousin, being present is what led me to post my earlier post discussing how many seemingly "uninvolved" grown men attended our trial. I am not kidding when I say that a sitting judge (yes, a judge) escorted one of our children's rapists to court. To this day, that sticks in my mind as the oddest of the odd.

Notice that Merrill is a little younger than the Darrel and Burrell. I think he's 63. He's older than the four younger men. Could he be another victim, a perp, or simply an interested family member? I fairly certain that LE knows where he's sleeping tonight.

Does anyone have any insight or links to criminal's behavior when the net is tightening? Do people typically run or do they squeeze closer to the fire?

 

[lbminnesota]

The whole issue of Merrill Clark, the cousin, being present is what led me to post my earlier post discussing how many seemingly "uninvolved" grown men attended our trial. I am not kidding when I say that a sitting judge (yes, a judge) escorted one of our children's rapists to court. To this day, that sticks in my mind as the oddest of the odd.

Notice that Merrill is a little younger than the Darrel and Burrell. I think he's 63. He's older than the four younger men. Could he be another victim, a perp, or simply an interested family member? I fairly certain that LE knows where he's sleeping tonight.

Does anyone have any insight or links to criminal's behavior when the net is tightening? Do people typically run or do they squeeze closer to the fire?

I cannot even imagine the inner fortitude you have Missizzy to watch this beast walking with the judge and not have a breakdown over the injustice.

Can't say I have insight into criminal behavior. I would run far away to stay under the radar but I"m not a criminal.

 

[Texas Mist]

I'm referring to the TX investigation. My take...law enforcement finally has a chance to get in and see what the heck is happening to these children. But there was no planning to achieve a goal. In the end, nothing was achieved. This case potentially spans over 25 years. With no physical evidence (small chance they will find the notes), law enforcement has an uphill battle.

TX is making headway -- at least LE here did *something* instead of *nothing*....they did not just look the other way...I respectfully cannot agree, given the recent conviction & pending trials, that "nothing was achieved".

Documents, church records and photographs seized during the raid appeared to be key in convicting Raymond Jessop.

http://www.gosanangelo.com/news/2009/nov/10/jessop-sentenced-to-10-years/

 

[lbminnesota]

I stand corrected. I didn't realize his trial included evidence from the raid. Thank goodness he's being put away.

 

[Missizzy]

I know, my sense would be to run...but I'm not a criminal either. It takes gall to walk into that courtroom if you know you're a perp. I'm just trying to figure out what that behavior might tell us. Maybe we'll learn some more tomorrow.

We didn't have to deal with too much church involvement thank goodness. Although, the local priest did sit right behind me one day of trial--in support of the rapist. He made my skin crawl. We also had to deal with the fact that the rapist was asked to be a guest at a local city's mayor's home as he couldn't be in the same town as our children. And on top of that, a director of child welfare took him in for a few weeks.

Our whole world turned upside down. That's what I meant by an alternate reality in some of these cases. You don't know who to trust. And if we adults don't know who to trust, imagine how child victims feel. Luckily, LE, the DA, and the AG were very good to us. That helped.

It sounds like LE and the prosecutors will support these kids. I just hope they have the support to deal with the viciousness of the perps. They'll have one goal--destroy the victims at all costs. As if they haven't done enough damage already.