Nor I. I've worked around water enough to know a little bit about it's nature. I can envision her car turning upside down front to back initially and drug for some time depending on the current. I can also see how it could have whirled around or even up and over top the first vehicle before settling and coming to a rest a ways beyond it. I think that the delay in being able to finally drag it up and out was due to sand and other material being imbedded around it and they couldn't get connected like was wanted. I'd also like to add that I'm appreciative of what the person posted toward the end of the last thread in relation to the facts of this case and I didn't know how bring that quote over other than copying. Much of what we've been forming opinions on (including myself) has not been that reliable of information. That's not anyone's fault necessarily only that we haven't really had that much to go on. And, a lot of what we have had has been misleading. Two failed attempts to pay for gas at the fuel station vs. attempts to make withdraws as examples. And now we hear of a window "down". What does that mean...all the way down or inches? It's easy to get lost not forming accurate opinions of what's occurred. I think that it's fair to say that we're all sad about the outcome and it is not an ending that we dearly hoped for Toni.