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  1. al66pine

    al66pine New Member

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    The $ Figures?

    Some here said - R & L were undoubtedly in financial straights; while others said - they were doing fine financially.
    It's all relative, making me wonder about their actual dollar figures.

    Any help w reasonable estimates, esp. locals re rent, etc. Or a range might be helpful, e.g. $800-900 or $50-75/mo.
    I'll check back later, then plug in your suggested figures, and total.
    Not saying how accurate it will be,
    but some feel Ross and/or Leanna's motive may have been financial stress, at least in part.

    Income - Annual
    R's HD salary .................................. ~ 61,000 (IIRC, link anyone?)
    Leanna's salary .............................. ~ ______ (link?)
    Other income .................................. ~ ______ (?)
    Other income .................................. ~ ______
    Annual total... ~ ______ = $_______. / 12 mo = Est. Monthly Income. ~ $______

    Expenses -
    Monthly
    Condo Rent .................................... ~ _____
    Elec. (if not included)............... ~ _____
    Gas. ( " ) ............. ~ _____
    Water & sewer ( " ) ............. ~ _____
    Condo Maint Fee ( " ) ............. ~ _____
    Cable or SatTV ( " ) ............. ~ _____
    Internet ......................................... ~ _____
    Phone ............................................ ~ _____

    Car Payment, R................................ ~ ______
    Car Payment, L................................ ~ ______
    Auto Ins ........................................ ~ ______
    Gasoline......................................... ~ ______

    Student Loans
    Ross said his was 100% financed?
    _ yrs x $ ____/yr = $_____ @ __ % int.
    Payment per mo.................................. ~ _____

    Credit Card Debt................................. ~ _____
    #2 .................................................. ~ _____


    Child Care @ Little Aprons ................... ~ _____
    Other Child Exp ................................. ~ _____


    Food -Groceries, eating at home ......... ~ _____
    Food, Eating Out ............................... ~ _____

    Fed Income Tax ................................ ~ ____
    GA Income Tax ................................. ~ ____

    Church (tithe?) ................................. ~ ____
    Charitable contribs............................. ~ ____

    Other ...(suggestions, pls)................... ~ ____
    Other .............................................. ~ ____
    Other .............................................. ~ ____
    Other .............................................. ~ ____
    Misc. .............................................. ~ ____

    .......................................................................................................Est'd Monthly Expenses ~ $ ________

    ........................................................................................................Est. Monthly Debit/credit?) $ _______

    Thanks in adv.
     
  2. popsicle

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    Good thread..Ginger Snap will have lots of info for you I think.
     
  3. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Professional Pediatric Nurse

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    If this is the unit it is renting for $850. It may or may not have been the same price when RH rented it 2 years ago. I am SHOCKED that it isn't closer to $1200/mo.
    * notice it has new A/C...

    "Saini said the Harrises were perfect tenants. When the air-conditioner recently broke down, Harris didn't get angry about it. Most often, they paid their rent one day early. He said Cooper's room was filled with toys."
    http://www.knoxnews.com/news/ga-man-charged-murder
    http://homes.trovit.com/index.php/c...uLjBkYmU2ZTI4M2JiYjQzMmZkYjE0NjlhMThmNjVlOTI0

    ***I could argue these are on the VERY low side. In 1990 Jan my electric bill was o er $500 for my 600 sq ft apartment about 5 miles from here. I doubt a condo built in 1981 is very insulated. I doubt that the windows are double pained either...
    The figures quoted might be correct for 1 person living alone in a 1500 sq ft home.

    Lots of laundry water usage with a baby. There is a $25 processing fee every month on the water bill so zero usage is $25 min. My dads runs about $45 month. He lives alone and does a small load of laundry once a week. He runs the dish washer once a week also.
    http://www.trulia.com/voices/Rental_Basics/What_is_the_average_cost_of_utilities_electric_c-560594

    Electric: $80 - 140/mo higher rate during summer air conditioning peak
    Garbage: $35-75/mo with weekly pickup depending on vendor--includes recycling
    Gas: $30 to 100/mo higher rate during the winter heating season
    Cable/internet: $120-170/mo depending on entertainment packages selected
    Water/sewer: $25-70 depending on usage--higher rates if you water lawn in summer.
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  4. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Professional Pediatric Nurse

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    al66pine New Member

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    Hey, gngr~snap, thanks for your contribution here.
    From pix in link, lots of new & shiny in Wynne'sRidge.
    Info from your link:
    "Rental Info Tenant Pays Cable: Yes

    • Tenant Pays Electric: Yes
    • Tenant Pays Gas: Yes
    • Tenant Pays Telephone: Yes
    • Coop Fee: 30%
    • Tenant Pays Security System: Yes
    • Per Adult $: 50
    • Application Fee Per Adult: Yes
    • Tenant Pays Pest Control: Yes"

      ETA: Incorporating some mid-range $ figures from gngr~snp's link:
      Expenses - Monthly
      Condo Rent .................................... ~ $1000.


    • Other occupancy exp, per gngr~snp link:
      Elec. (if not included)............... ~ 125
      Gas. ( " ) ............................... ~ 75
      Water & sewer ( " ) ................ ~ 50
    • Garbage ................................ ~ 50
      Condo Maint Fee ( " ) ............. ~ ___ 30% per above...What? 30% of rent? 30% of HOA fee? or $30/mo?
      Cable or SatTV ( " ) ................ ~ 150 (me, I'm thinking Ross had big sports bundle)
      Occ. exp's/non-rent...................... = $450 w/out condo/coop main fee

      Internet ......................................... ~ _____???
      Phone , 2 lines.................................. ~ _____ ???

      Anyone in a 2bed/2 bath condo or house in N/Mid GA, throw some figures in here?
      What about other categories in OP? Tuition, etc. that would be paid thru student loans? How much ea yr? x no. of yrs?
      Thx in adv.
     
  6. al66pine

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    Anybody think Ross might have income from employment other than HD?
    Anything after the move to Atlanta?

    IIRC, he refereed high school(?) football games.
    If so, is that all-volunteer or a payment per game?

    What about music? Did he & band perform only as volunteers?
    Any week-end paid gigs at bars, restaurants, parties?

    Anything Leanna may have done, beside dietician work for the one company? Any consulting or private client/patients?

    Just another thought.
     
  7. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Professional Pediatric Nurse

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    www.apfoa.com/2014_GHSA_Football_Officials_Manual_-_Rev_A.pdf

    $96.00 per on field official per varsity game
    In 2014

    ***I am not certain he ever worked a game in Georgia. I did a lot of sleuthing and I have yet to find one picture of him on a high school football field. They have LOTS of exams and training they must take tests attend workshops etc... I don't see RH doing this too lazy IMO. I think it might be all talk. Now he could pay a fee and be a "member" but I don't believe he is even fit enough to be on the field for 2-3 hours chasing the players up and down the field.
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  8. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Professional Pediatric Nurse

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    OK. So IMO about June 1 they had been here 2 years. RH moved a 7mo pregnant LH here.

    Most cable package deals are 3, 6, or 12 months at the introductory price then they stick into ya! I think be it Uverse, XFinity, or Dish if RH had a landline ? Internet and cable ****you KNOW HE HAD THE PREMIUM FOOTBALL BEAST GAME ESPN 24/7 SPORTS PACKAGE***** yelling just a little. GAME DAY! GAME DAY! GAME DAY!!!!
    He was paying out the wahoo every month. Ya think 225? 260? for all 3 ? They might not have had a landline however I think the landlord might have had one and kept it for the unit idk.

    Daycare was $840/mo

    Monthly Tuition Rates as of April 2014:

    Infant: $895

    Toddler: $840

    Early Preschool: $813

    Preschool: $767

    School-Age Camp: $260 (per week)
    [summer camp 2014: May 27-August 8]

    http://child-care-preschool.brighthorizons.com/GA/Atlanta/thd/Frequently-Asked-Questions

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  9. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Professional Pediatric Nurse

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    http://www.wynnesridge.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=75&Itemid=73

    HOA $235/mo - 30% = $70.50


    Am I blind? I didn't see
    2 car payments/ lease or own
    2 car ins payments
    2 cars care & maintenance


    Health ins for the family $400+ per month ( Kaiser Permanente) link to follow along with life ins etc.

    Gas for 2 vehicles.
    http://www.edmunds.com/hyundai/tucson/2012/mpg.html
    Tuscon 22mpg.

    RH work commute 4.6 miles each way.
    9.2 per day
    46 per week


    Church 7.0 each way.

    Leanna car?

    Work 5.8 miles
    To daycare 9.6 miles
    Back home 4.6 miles
    20 miles a day for LH (4days a week)

    80 miles per week
    +/- extra daycare drop off/pick up
    grocery, trips home etc.

    Grocery/shopping needs



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  10. al66pine

    al66pine New Member

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    Thanks once again to gngr~snp's legendary sleuthing skills. :loveyou:

    Child Care @ Little Aprons ................... ~ 840/mo
    Other Child Exp ................................. ~ _____. anyone?

    per gngr~snp
    HOA $235/mo - 30% = $70.50
    so I'm changing the following:

    Other occupancy exp, per gngr~snp link:
    Elec. (if not included)............... ~ 125
    Gas. ( " ) ............................... ~ 75
    Water & sewer ( " ) ................ ~ 50
    Garbage ................................ ~ 50
    Condo Maint Fee ( " ) ............. ~ 75 (I'm rounding up here)

    Cable or SatTV ( " ) ................ ~ 150 (me, I'm thinking Ross had big sports bundle)
    Occ. exp's/non-rent...................... = $525, now with condo/coop maint fee.


    ETA:
    per gngr~snp's post:
    Other
    Health ins for fam.,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
    ~ 400 mo (Kaiser Permanente)

    More 'Other categories' in OP?

    Tomorrow, Mon. I'lll add $$$ re gasoline costs, per gngr~snp post.
     
  11. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Professional Pediatric Nurse

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    https://secure.livethehealthyorangelife.com/

    Dental, vision, the $2500 life ins policy info, the HOMER FUND that pays for funerals etc. info is here. I can't get any info from a pdf. to link or cut and paste.


    Diapering a toddler 5 changes a day? x 365= 1825?
    I have no clue what diapers cost now.
    plus the new car seat (only one)
    Clothing, feeding, a toddler bed... birthday party.. I am sure there are estimates for the 3rd year 24-36 months of life.
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  12. CHERIE.T

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    IMOO there can only be estimates on many of their finances.
    my adult kids haveno clue what expenses my dh and I have. :)
     
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    DeDee Active Member

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    I want to follow the money trail but have a question. Why are we discounting by 30% the HOA fees?

    Also, the $235 HOA fees already include water and sewer so that needs to be removed from the monthly expenses.
     
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    Was Ross contributing money to the business he had started with his friends? Jat

    ciao
     
  15. popsicle

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    Have you included entertainment expenses for things like football games, movies, guitars etc?
     
  16. al66pine

    al66pine New Member

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    Absolutely true.
    $$$ figures can be gleaned from P/C hearing; Ross & Leanna's soc media; friends & acq's from T'loosa;
    www $ re rentals, utilities; student loan calculators; etc.
    Estimates only.
     
  17. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Professional Pediatric Nurse

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    It's in the rental agreement.

    http://m.realtor.com/#details?property_id=5977574701

    Rental Info

    Laundry Features/Location:
    Laundry Room

    Availability: August 8, 2014
    Lease Term: 1 Year
    Deposit: $1000

    Tenant Pays Cable: Yes
    Tenant Pays Electric: Yes
    Tenant Pays Gas: Yes
    Tenant Pays Telephone: Yes
    Coop Fee: 30%
    Tenant Pays Security System: Yes
    Per Adult $ 50
    Application Fee Per Adult: Yes
    Tenant Pays Pest Control: Yes


    ***yes this is just an estimate. This is NOT the unit the lived in
    but a similar one. Forvall we know their rent could have been lower and they may or may not have been responsible for all, part or none of the monthly HOA/CoOp fee.
    I just found these trerms online.
    I believe their actual unit is being advertised as I mentioned upthread. I didn't find any rental info other than it was renting for $840.00.
    I would expect them to be responsible for a % of it since it does include sewer/water and garbage. moo
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    Oh, good catch.
    From his SocMedia, do we know what tix he had?
    Home game only? Home & away?.....................tix $ ____ /season
    Plus for each game,
    - parking ..................................$___
    - one meal out (?) ................... $___
    -___ mi round trip, so gasoline ....$____
    - snacks @ game ...................... $____

    Total this; multiply by #___ of games = .............$___ /season
    Other costs? babysitter? ____

    Add tix & non-tix.............................................$____/season football fun
     
  19. gngr~snap

    gngr~snap Verified Professional Pediatric Nurse

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    http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/DaVita-Registered-Dietitian-Salaries-E5367_D_KO7,27.htm
    **ESTIMATE (remember she had 8 yrs with DaVita)
    Total Pay $62,025
    Salary $60,500
    Bonus $2,440
    _________________________
    Another estimate
    http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/DaVita-Registered-Dietitian-Hourly-Pay-E5367_D_KO7,27.htm
    ____________________________
    Total Pay $57,335.37
    Salary $28.58
    Bonus $725.00
    _________________________
    http://www.glassdoor.com/Hourly-Pay/DaVita-Renal-Dietitian-Hourly-Pay-E5367_D_KO7,22.htm
    ________________________
    SALARY RANGE

    Total Pay $46k–$64k
    Salary $23/hr–$31/hr
    Bonus $500–$2k
    Profit Sharing $500–$1K


    (Keep in mind she worked part time. IMO 4 days wk or 28-30hrs a week)
    Kennestone Davita os open from 8:30am -4:30pm M-F

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    I'm curious how these income and expense figures will play out. Will they show that the Harris's income vs expenses are similar or average for a young couple living in their community? Or will it show that there's a big deficit in their income vs their spending?

    An average income vs expense will not point towards a clear motive for killing Cooper. A big financial meltdown could be a clear motive for premeditated murder.

    If only estimates are being used for some of the high dollar expenses, I can see arguments for motive and also for no motive being shown. It can go either way in my opinion.

    I'm not sure if I see a financial problem with what's been posted so far. It's still early though. MOO.
     
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