MS MS - Bay St Louis, WhtFem 37-42, UP2841, no teeth, 'black lung', emphysema, chron bronchitis, May'98

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  1. astridxx

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    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    :bump: for image revision. (with and without her dentures)

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    OkieGranny New Member Forum Coordinators

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    http://www.sunherald.com/2013/08/09/4862385/hancock-county-coroner-wants-to.html

     
  5. reasypeasy

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    From the link
    And that's why the judge is making all those people give sworn statements etc and delaying this? That's so silly. With modern DNA matching technology and databases, the very fact that a Doe who may have relatives remains unidentified and we don't have DNA available should be compelling enough to justify going in to the grave to get a sample.
     
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    Disturbing a grave is a very serious matter to many people -- so serious that yes, they don't consider DNA testing sufficient reason.
     
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    OMG you guys I'm ready to cry right now! I've been without my laptop and then having logon issues, which thanks to the fabulous chicoliving are now resolved, and then I come here and see this! Holding out hope that this will lead to answers for Hancock JD and her family....
     
  8. meanmaryjean

    meanmaryjean Verified RN (Pediatrics Specialty)

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    COULD the black lung been a result of heating one's home with coal?
     
  9. MadeaBecBec

    MadeaBecBec "The trouble with being punctual is that nobody's

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    This missing woman is my suggestion, she fits in so many ways..... Should be able to rule her out/match easily with fingerprint comparison!
    http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/a/augat_diane.html
    Went missing April 10, 1998 from Hudson, Florida
    Age; 40 years old
    Height & Weight; 5'4"; 130 lbs.
    Reportedly has tattoos on her back and shoulder (I'm wondering if "road rash" injuries would make them unnoticeable)
    From Doe Network; Augat has three children. In the late 1980s, she was diagnosed as being manic-depressive and sporadically took medication that kept the disorder under control. In 1988, the children were removed from her custody, and Augat and her husband divorced in 1991.
    She was arrested several times for petty crimes and was taken into custody under the state's Baker Act. The Baker Act is the state's involuntary commitment law. A judge, police officer or doctor decides whether a person is potentially ill enough to require an involuntary medical exam.
    A few weeks before her disappearance, she was treated for her manic-depression at a local mental health facility.

    I may just go ahead and submit since she can be looked into immediately!
    I will let you all know as soon as I hear back....
     
  10. hogwash

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    jmo but they look very much alike
     
  11. Venom

    Venom Well-Known Member

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    The vaccination scar sticks out to me. When did they stop giving vaccinations like that? I ask because I always associated it to be with "old" people. (Not trying to offend anyone) In the pictures, she looks so young.
    Could it be that she was left behind at the nearest rest stop? I was wondering if maybe she was traveling in a car with her slippers on, they stopped for a break and one way or another she was left there.
    About the black lung- My dad has Alpha one anti-trypsin and was a bad smoker, so he developed emphysema. He has breathing problems and black lungs, last year he got a piece cut off of his lung. Alpha one is a genetic disease that can affect the lungs or liver. Just a thought.
     
  12. meanmaryjean

    meanmaryjean Verified RN (Pediatrics Specialty)

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    My (younger) sister who was born in 1959 was one of the last to get their smallpox vaccination on her arm in our family. After her, it was given on the leg to hide the scare better- before smallpox was completely eradicated.
     
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    mikkismom Well-Known Member

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    I can certainly see the resemblance
     
  15. Roselvr

    Roselvr Ask me how to get your loved one in NamUs

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    Todd Matthews is asking that anyone in the MP community that can write an email in support of exhumation to Coroner Jim Faulk via jim.faulk@aol.com as well as requests to reconsider the judgement might also be effective if sent through the reporter. - vwelborn@gannett.com


    Mississippi judge delays Jane Doe exhumation
    DNA sought to test against 2 missing La. woman
    Aug. 16, 2013

    A Mississippi judge delayed until October a request from a coroner to exhume a body for DNA testing, despite the pleas of a South Louisiana family who are convinced the unidentified woman is their missing loved one.

    Hancock County, Miss., Coroner Jim Faulk said there was “not a dry eye” in the courtroom Friday when the adult children of Nelda Louise Hardwick, of Lake Charles, testified in favor of the exhumation.

    Still, the judge questioned the authenticity of some of the evidence Faulk presented, including autopsy photographs of Jane Doe. Another hearing is set Oct. 18.


    similarities between Jane Doe and another missing Louisiana woman, Faye Aline Self, 26, of Coushatta, who was last seen March 20, 1983, leaving the Wagon Wheel on state Highway 1 in Red River Parish.
     
  16. meanmaryjean

    meanmaryjean Verified RN (Pediatrics Specialty)

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    How much does it cost? Is that even a factor in his decision?
     
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    bessie Verified Insider

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    There are a few reasons why I doubt this is a match, but the main one pertains to facial features. Jane Doe's nose has a distinctly downward "hook". It's very prominent in the post mortem photos, and in Carl's sketches, too. Diane Augat's nose is shaped differently and turns upward. JMO

    ETA: Link to post mortem photos is in this post.

    Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - MS MS - Hancock County, WhtFem 178UFMS, 38-42, No teeth-"black lung", May'98
     
  18. SemmesMom

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    Admittedly I'm late to this thread and it seems that they think there is a match for this UID (I hope so, for her family and for her!), but reading all the discussion on black lung made me think of a conversation I had with my mother in law regarding her mother's diagnosis of Asbestosis.
    While not alike in most senses, one generally develops asbestosis from their work environment. Personally my dad has it from his work in the local paper mill. When my husband's grandmother was quite older it was found that she had asbestosis. Her daughter (my MIL) asked the doctor how, as she had never worked in an environment that would put her at risk. The doctor stated that she got it from washing her husband's work clothes, which were covered in asbestos.
    Now, I had never heard that before (or since, for that matter), nor have I researched it, but the question I'd like to pose is, IF that situation is possible, would it also be possible to get "Black Lung" from laundering clothes that were in the mines? This would open possibilities to significant others of those industries, and also people known to work in laundering businesses.
    Like I said, I hope that this UID has a match. It's been 15 years now and she deserves a name and a final resting place near loved ones. However, it may be something that comes up again and I thought it was worth mentioning.
     
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    Just jumping off the quotated info in the news article.

    I read a comment on one of the news articles that Todd said Nelda was ruled out years ago. If someone submitted Nelda then that would certainly explain getting put off on this potential match. This is now SOP along with...."I already submitted this one, but thanks..."



    Interesting....

    Anyone have a missing person page that states Nelda had "uinquely color gray eyes" or UP information that this MS UP had one leg shorter than the other, scars all over her head and body? More importantly, where is the info regarding the MP having black lung disease or any respitory disorder? There certainly are discrepencies.
     
  20. BaxterDE42

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    I just checked NamUS on the Nelda Hardwick case. EYES: BROWN
    https://www.findthemissing.org/cases/625

    Also found an update article on UP.
    http://www.seacoastecho.com/article_7189.shtml#.UhTo7cU56Bt

    Reasons LE gave for exhumation: (bold by me)
    THe UP description states her hair was not original. It had been colored with gray showing at the temples. So is he comparing natural colored hair to color treated hair? I still can't get past the "uniquely colored gray eyes on the UP. It is also important to note that the trama to the face of the UP would certainly have changed the angle of her nose.
    (Just trying to read the judge's decision and the intent of the coronor and the UP case manager.)

    Still looking for the last "update" where it ws stated the UP had scars on her body and head. Difficult to extract fact when the three articles I have read were written by different journalists. Will post when I find it.

    Peace to the Hardwick family.
     

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