MT MT - Flathead Co, WhtMale, 18-49, MJ Pipe, .22 Pistol w/Holster, Poker Game, Sz 11 Adidas, Oct'03

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  1. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    Unidentified Person / NamUs #UP13963
    ME/C Case Number 2003-24911

    Male, White / Caucasian
    Date FoundOctober 26, 2003
    Location Found Marion, Montana
    Estimated Age Range 18-49 Years

    Estimated Year of Death: 1995-2003

    Height 5' 5"-6' 0"(65-72 inches) , Estimated
    Weight Cannot Estimate

    Accessories
    Water bottle, marijuana pipe, hand held electronic poker game, sunglasses, Aleve bottle, duffel bag, fanny pack, butterfly knife, .22 caliber Smith & Wesson 422 pistol with "Uncle Mike's Sidekick" black nylon gun holster
    Near the Body

    Footwear
    Adidas tennis shoes - Size 11
    On the Body

    Location Found Map
    Street Address
    Near Red Gate Road Marion, Montana
    Flathead County

    Circumstances of Recovery
    Remains of unknown human found.
    Details of Recovery

    Inventory of Remains
    Torso not recovered
    One or more limbs not recovered
    One or both hands not recovered
    Condition of Remains: Not recognizable - Partial skeletal parts only

    The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)
     
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  2. Nancy Drew RN

    Nancy Drew RN Well-Known Member

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    Marion John Doe is now a DNA Doe Project.

     
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  3. Claireishere

    Claireishere Well-Known Member

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    Any R/O? Terry Turner maybe?
     
  4. Liv27

    Liv27 Well-Known Member

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    For those who have not viewed the Google Sheet:

    Marion John Doe has a few high-level matches, with his highest being 43.9 cm. He will need some more work, most likely.
     
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    Claireishere Well-Known Member

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    Where are the google sheets?
     
  6. Gardener1850

    Gardener1850 Timeline Guru (Still Remembering Cupcake)

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    It's in their pinned post (under the heading ------CASES-----): DNA Doe Project

    Here's the current spreadsheet: Doe Upload.xlsx
     
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  7. YaYa_521

    YaYa_521 Every Body's Name Matters

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    No ruleouts listed.
     
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    The Crime Junkie Podcast released an episode on Flathead County Doe, they ask for help to identify him, there is an update on his closest matches:
    "Could you be related to the Flathead County Doe?

    Based on his matches, the DNA Doe Project believes that he could have connections to these surnames and locations.

    ➡️ Saylor, Helton, Brock, or Blanton from Harlan County, Kentucky
    ➡️ Ward, Linn, or Barrett from Montgomery County, Indiana
    ➡️ Greene, Epperson, Seales, or Trent from Hancock County, Tennessee"
     
  9. MadMcGoo

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    One person comes to mind, although I’m sure they’ve checked the databases for those surnames/locations. And this guy is a little outside the parameters; age & height. ETA: may not be off the mark, conflicting stats listed. I see a resemblance though.

    Larry Franklin Trent – The Charley Project
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  10. djanga

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    Larry looks like a good match, may be it is worth submitting.

    On crime junkie podcast facebook page there was a guy who said he was in Flathead valley around 1992 and met some “hippie guys” who used to live there. It made me wonder if he was a transient and probably was not reported missing or he was somebody like Larry
     
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    WHOA Mr. Laughing has a Trent line; Mr. Laughing has ties to Hancock County but from the other side of his family tree.

    (Everyone is accounted for, AFAIK.)

    Hancock County is the eastern end of Tennessee, on the border with Virginia.

    Melungeon people, a small genetic group, live there.

    I could go on, but will spare you.
     
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    YaYa_521 Every Body's Name Matters

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    I certainly don't see anything that would rule him out besides potentially location and circumstances. Who'd "walk" from TN to MT? As we well know though, it's fairly easy to get around in today's age. It'd be nice to know whether Larry enjoyed playing poker.
     
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    YaYa_521 Every Body's Name Matters

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    One exclusion:
    MP253 Shannon LaBau 02/23/1999 Lewis and Clark MT
     
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    Cold case on found remains from 2003 still has officials searching for answers
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    YaYa_521 Every Body's Name Matters

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    Thanks for the link, @dotr!

    Screenshot taken from the video.
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    In the special edition of Crime Junkey podcast dedicated to the Marion County (Flathead) John Doe there is more information about this gun. It’s previous owner is alive and he had sold it to another gun shop. But it’s a dead end, there are no records of who bought this gun next
     
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    I don’t think we can trust the ‘parameters.’ Specially not when all they found were scattered bones, (mainly in packrst nests, which implies smaller bones.)
     
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    Does anyone have a theory as to circumstances of his death? The hole in his skull implies a connection with the pistol at the top of the cliff. But if someone shot him, why would the pistol be placed in a bag and left at the scene?

    Suicide? Again, how would the gun get back in the bag? Is it possible that the bag is a red herring, and the gun was on top of it? So, he shot himself, the gun fell from his hand, and he fell off the cliff? (I didn’t notice if it was a sheer enough cliff for that scenario to be possible.)
     
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    dotr Well-Known Member

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    Very good article, lots of detail. Thanks for posting!

    [​IMG] Facial reconstruction of Cliff Doe, an unidentified man whose remains were found outside of Marion in 2003. - Courtesy Image; RIGHT: Photos of items that were found with human remains discovered near Marion in October 20

    ''Everything he had with him the day he died fits inside a single cardboard box. Most of his possessions — a knife, sunglasses, a bottle of Aleve, a pipe, and a book — are shoved in brown paper bags from Rosauers that have been folded up inside the box for 17 years. Shelley Giebeig, a coroner and detective’s secretary with the Flathead County Sheriff’s Office, removes each bag and spreads out the contents on a conference room table, careful to not rip the disintegrating paperback pages or to fray the blue fanny pack that contained it.''


    ''Presently, the closest genetic match Jones and her fellow volunteers have found for Cliff is someone approximately 70 centimorgans away. For laypeople, a centimorgan is a unit for measuring genetic linkage; the more centimorgans, the more likely someone is a direct relative. For example, there are 3,600 centimorgans between a child and a parent. Seventy centimorgans means there’s a 33 percent chance that the two people could be half third cousins. So far, Jones has been able to determine that Cliff was somehow related to a husband and wife born in Kentucky in the early 19th century. The man, born in about 1822, and the woman, born around 1817, had at least 10 children together and many more grandchildren and great grandchildren. Jones is working to identify the family lineage that connects Cliff with the Kentucky couple, but she admits it will likely take time, with many dead ends. Creating family trees can also be complicated by the fact that some offspring may not be documented, like those born out of wedlock.''
     
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