Identified! MT - Missoula Co., 'Chryssie Crystal Creek' AsianFem 3UFMT, 20-35, Sep'85 Janet Lee Lucas

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  1. MadMcGoo

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    Only unidentified victim of Missoula's "suspected" serial killer, Wayne Nance
     
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    Could this be Linda Lee Lovell?? There’s the glaringly obvious discrepancy, but also several similarities. I wish my “side by side machine” weren’t malfunctioning at the moment so I could post photos, but they look very much alike. I’m not sure where Stephen may of ended up in this scenario though...
     
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    u/eFitaon from the r/gratefuldoe subreddit has tried to use the reconstruction to make a more human-looking sketch. I thought I would post it here. Of course, it isn't meant to be an exact likeness and it probably isn't accurate given how whacky the clay reconstruction looked, especially knowing she may very well have been a white/asian biracial person.
     

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    Wow, this is a great improvement for her appearance! Is the artist a member of Websleuths or does anyone know their contact information?
     
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    **WARNING - Images is skeletal remains/skull attached**
    These show very good images of Chryssie’s teeth for future reference or comparison. This was a 4 page spread in the newspaper, so I only clipped certain parts. It’s a very good write-up about Debbie Deer Creek and Chryssie Crystal Creek.
    27 May 2004, A17 - Missoula Independent at Newspapers.com
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    (I’m having trouble loading the imagine of the first part of this section. It just talks about where and when she was found and that she’d been shot twice in the head.)
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    I can’t recall a WB’s artist who does recons in this style, and I’m not a member of Reddit, so I’m not too sure who it could be or if they’re a member here. I didn’t realize until finding that article today that her skull was/is in relatively good shape (considering the circumstances). Hopefully an artist can do something with that. She deserves a more appropriate reconstruction in my opinion.
     
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    othram Verified Owner of Othram Inc/DNA Expert

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    Yes you are right. That skull is in really good shape.
     
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    1. Thank you whoever made a new recon, the old clay composites are both just hideous.

    2. Looking at the picture of the skull she had excellent teeth. Beautifully aligned, too. Someone well taken care of. The face somehow shares some characteristics that may indeed be rated as Asian (though that is a slippery slope!), such as the widely spaced eye sockets, the relatively flat facial bones and the shape of the dental arc (but you would need to see it from below). But the nasal opening is quite narrow and sharp, something more prevalent in Europeans or Native Americans.
    I wonder if she was Native or mixed race.
     
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    A skull can only tell us so much! DNA testing will illuminate her true biogeographical origins.
     
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    Yes the morphology is often misleading (e.g. the Princess Blue/Julie Davis case who was classified as Black or Mixed but was in fact white with just very distant unknown AA ancestry and Manchester John Doe who was classified as White but whose admix clearly shows he was of predominantly Subsaharan African ancestry).

    Did you take that case over, Othram? Brilliant! Looking forward to updates!
     
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    othram Verified Owner of Othram Inc/DNA Expert

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    Yes! We have not formally announced it yet, but our involvement will be announced soon.
     
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    othram Verified Owner of Othram Inc/DNA Expert

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    And here we go, our formal involvement in the case: Who is Christy Crystal Creek Doe?. Step 1, we are going to see if we can update the facial reconstruction. More details in the new year.

    Happy New Year, everyone!
     
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    An updated reconstruction would do wonders!
     
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    How absolutely wonderful! I look forward to seeing the progress you will make in this case.
     
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    We have an exciting update coming later this evening!! We have a new and amazingly life-like facial reconstruction for Christy Crystal Creek. We are excited about the possibility that an updated image might help generate more leads.
     
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    Working with famed forensic artist, Lois Gibson, we are able to share an updated forensic facial reconstruction of what Christy Crystal Creek Doe may have looked like. Lois Gibson is recorded in The Guinness Book of World Records as "The World's Most Successful Forensic Artist." Her sketches have helped law enforcement identify more than 751 criminals. We truly hope this wonderful updated art from Lois helps produce leads as we await the completion of the DNA testing process.

    Source: Who is Christy Crystal Creek Doe?
    More on Lois Gibson: Lois Gibson | The Institute of Forensic Art
     

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    Wow! She looks great.
     
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    Lois did a great job!

    ETA. Wow! Her other works are remarkable.
     
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    Its a huge improvement and hopefully it will help produce a lead!
     
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    She's incredibly talented! Love her work! Congratulations!
     
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