Murder by Manual and Ligature Strangulation

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  1. UKGuy

    UKGuy Active Member

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    From: Murder by Manual and Ligature Strangulation
    Profiling Crime Scene Behaviors and Offender Characteristics

     
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    Holdontoyourhat Former Member

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    Its possible it was a sadistic sexual murder. Its been suggested here before that the RN could've even been part of a sadistical plot.
     
  4. Ames

    Ames New Member

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    WHY didn't the "three intruders" take JB OUT OF THE HOUSE...if it was for the purpose of a sadistic sexual murder? They could have held her captive and abused her for DAYS AND DAYS. What was the purpose of the bogus RN, if their attention was to murder her all along??
     
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    Holdontoyourhat Former Member

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    Another poster suggested that the RN could've given false hope of JBR's return, to further add to sadistical nature of the crime.
     
  6. BOESP

    BOESP Active Member

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    Holdon, Roy Hazelwood's work is a good place to start if you're interested in finding out about sadistic sexual predators and how they operate. The trauma (sexual and otherwise) on JonBenet's body as described in the autopsy doesn't come close to fitting that inflicted by a sexual sadist.

    Have you read John Douglas's profile of the killer? For the most part, it sounds just like he could be describing Patsy Ramsey.
     
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    Holdontoyourhat Former Member

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    Physical injuries aren't the only manifestation of sadism. You're forgetting about psychological sadism.
     
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    BOESP Active Member

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    Holdon, just how is it you presume to know what another poster remembers or forgets?
     
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    Holdontoyourhat Former Member

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    Claiming that 'fat cats' is an exclusively American term is either forgetting or purposely excluding that the term is international. Claiming that sadism manifests itself only in physical cruelty is also either forgetting or purposely excluding psychological cruelty.

    So are we forgetting, or purposely excluding? I bet I know.
     
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    BOESP Active Member

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    I believe you are posting in the wrong topic, however, I will reply by saying you are the person who first said, "Its possible it was a sadistic sexual murder." No where did I say "sadism manifests itself only in physical cruelty." This is the "Strangulation" thread, which is a physical act. Maybe you need to open a "Psychology" thread.
     
  11. Ames

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    You said that FAT CAT was a "foreign slang"....I simply posted a link that stated it was first used in AMERICA...in the 1920's to describe people that gave money to the American political parties. I never said that someone foreign wouldn't know the term. I just posted proof that it is an ORIGINAL AMERICAN SLANG TERM.
     
  12. Holdontoyourhat

    Holdontoyourhat Former Member

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    Who cares?

    What matters is who used the term in 1996, not 1920! In 1996, the term was used in Europe, Asia, and America. It was used in politically charged conversations dealing with status and wealth, of which the RN was one.

    You're dealing with a Kaczynski. A socioeconomic basket case who has never had an original thought. Sexual murders on children has happened before, ransoms have happened before, and the Rn author couldn't even make up his own lines, had to use canned expressions from violent films.
     
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    Wasn't he American?
     
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    WE care...it just goes to show that by you saying that it was "FOREIGN SLANG" that you don't do your research before you post your cr@p on here. Of course, we all knew that all along....
     
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    Yes! Holdon is scattered...I don't think that he/she even pays attention to what he/she writes.
     
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    Holdontoyourhat Former Member

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    Yes he was. So what? Are you saying that Kaczynski type people only happen in America? There goes another massive assumption.
     
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    Then give me an example of a foreign Kaczynski type.
     
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    Show me a link anywhere...that says that in 1996 the word FAT CAT was used in Europe and Asia (I know that it was used in Amercia, because we invented it). Maybe they DID use it there, I don't know...I don't live there. But I would like some proof... you can't just make stuff up as you go along holdon.
     
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    JMO8778 ..at the beach!

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    Look at *why the RN author would use the term 'fat cat'.I think it was because Patsy wanted to say that this was another person of the same social status as JR was,or was trying to make the writer appear others think he was anyway,(whether he was or not ),and or to cause the reader to think this person was trying to be a smart aleck ; a threat of some sort by using that term.IOW-'You're not the only big guy around', is what she was trying to say.Or,to say it another way-'fear me,fear me !! I'm just as big as you are !' (as far as wealth,power,etc.).
    I have my own thoughts about who she was trying to make it sound like it was from,I'll get to that later.I do think she had input from JR on it though.I know some don't agree,but when it switches to first person in the last paragraph-that's what convinces me.It wasn't Patsy talking to JR,IMO...it was JR's input,in trying to cause it to appear the '2 gentlemen' and the author were the perps;former disgruntled AG employees.(I don't think it was Patsy trying to set up the housekeeper...if so,then who would the 2 gentlemen be? I think she said that as an excuse to pick up the note (just as she did w going down to make coffee)...she said she thought before she read it that it was about LHP needing money before they left).
    Anyway.."Don't try to grow a brain,John"...it switches to first person in an attempt to say the writer knows JR on a first name basis.I think this is whom they were trying to appear it to be from..
    Try this:

    Jeff Merrick: "Don't try to grow a brain,John...you are not the only fat cat around..."

    JM had made threats to JR.It's an attempt to sound male,IMO.
    As opposed to Patsy trying to say it all as if it were coming from her...Patsy was certainly not a 'fat cat' business woman...she was a SAHM.
    I think this was their attempt to frame JM and friends.

    That's only my opinion..no one has to agree.I'm only saying I think it's worth taking a second look at.Patsy was obviously so flustered that I really think she had help on it,at least as far as whom to attempt to point to...JR KNEW JM was angry with him and had made threats..what better person to try to frame at the time????
     
  20. Solace

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    Holdon, You are starting to make me nervous again. Please read your post: "What matters is who used the term in 1996, not 1920! In 1996, the term was used in Europe, Asia, and America. It was used in politically charged conversations dealing with status and wealth, of which the RN was one.

    You're dealing with a Kaczynski."

    You appeared to be assuming that a Kaczynski was a European when you said "You're dealing with a Kaczynski". And the Squishified who replied "wasn't he American" was correct in assuming that is what you were saying.

    Comeon watch what you post before you do it and then when someone questions your post, you won't have to get angry. :furious:
     
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    Actually, the question is "What are you saying Holdon".
     

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