- Oct 14, 2020
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Side note, I had very German classmates in Germany with olive skin and black hair. No known heritage of color or anything non German.
Yeah... I think if anything the Oracle results in conjunction with the pie chart could at best be used to rule certain possibilities out (i.e., Ashkenazi Jewish, Middle Eastern, African American).Oracle results are far from definitive, unfortunately... as I said before, I know someone who is over half French-Canadian and yet his actual French population result is the second lowest on the list of populations he has genetic ties to... sometimes it can seem accurate and other times it's vague and more confusing than helpful. My personal results, for instance, don't make a ton of sense in terms of the degree of relatedness to certain populations, especially compared to my Ancestry results. That said, yeah there is no reason to believe that the Sumter Does have Jewish heritage.
If the Oracle results for Jane and Jock Doe are accurate to some degree then it would seem likely that their olive-toned complexions come from having genetic ties to Spain and/or Italy; specific areas of Spain are highlighted in both of their results. Jock in particular definitely looks like he could be Spanish.
It's anyone's guess. It's even possible that one of them didn't have the father that he or she thought.Yeah... I think if anything the Oracle results in conjunction with the pie chart could at best be used to rule certain possibilities out (i.e., Ashkenazi Jewish, Middle Eastern, African American).
But who knows, they/one of them could have been adopted too.
I dont go by the Oracle, my own Oracle are a bit of guesswork as well. It gets even worse when you do the mixed population mode. Its all statistics.
However, I primarily go by the piechart and first estimate with general geographic populations, not nationalities. And this imho clearly points to a non Hispanic/Latinx heritage. Very Northern European/British Isles plus a bit of continent.
I dont hold by the Argentina theory at all.
Speaking as someone who's Ashkenazi Jewish, my heritage looks very different.
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You can see the "Red Sea/West Asian", which makes up about 15% of mine. If Jock had Ashkenazi ancestry, it would probably show up with one of those on his Admixture pie chart, or somewhere in the 'Least-squares method' chart.
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As a Canadian, I would say that if Jock Doe is from Canada, it is more likely that his name would be Jacques rather than Jock. Jock is not the type of name that one would have in 1970s Canada.
In Canada Jock is also a slang word for a male athlete.
It takes a while for them to get matches. They get more after each update. Last week when I checked, Jane had top matches in the 70s (CMs), which is not amazing but a nice start and he had lower, I believe only in 30s or 40s. It will likely go up the longer they are in. Time is the key.
Side note, I checked my own Gedmatch and aside from my parents I only score matches in the 30s, which is roughly a common ancestor about 3-4 generations back. If I was an UID, it would be tricky to identify me via Gedmatch.
It may point to them not being American, despite them being of Anglo and Middle European descent, (the Canadian theory pops up again in my mind), as US Americans are overrepresented in genealogy databases vs all other countries. If you are not US American, you will always have less matches.
And if you look at the full picture, only people who are interested in more advanced genealogy would upload their raw DNA file to Gedmatch, this is also a fraction of all tests made.
So all in all, if a persons whole family represents 100%, maybe 5% of those do a DNA test with a big company such as ftdna or ancestry or 23andme and from those again only a small fraction uploads those to Gedmatch. And from those, the biggest part is not opted in. We are looking at maybe 1-2% of all a persons relatives if we look at Gedmatch matches.
And certain ethnic groups are proportionally less likely to do DNA tests than others (e.g. African Americans who are grossly underrepresented vs. e.g. American Ashkenazi Jews who are usually overrepresented). Also adds to it.
If you know that, it is actually incredible that so many cases can be solved via Gedmatch matches.
Pamela’s thread for reference:There are so many similarities to Pamela Buckley's features. Did Jane Doe have dyed hair?