Identified! Mystery couple murdered in South Carolina, 1976 - Pamela Buckley & James P Freund #8

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    Very interesting!! Thanks for sharing.

     
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    If you follow enough cases here at Websleuths and elsewhere, you'll learn what law enforcement experts say about witness testimony. In spite of best intentions, people's memories are often unreliable. Someone working at a KOA Campground back then probably saw a lot of young couples like this one traveling through, especially during the summer months. It sounds like the witness mistook them for another couple passing through. JMO
     
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    Kind of sad, isn't it?
     
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    Super good observations here. I think with any situation like this, it's all about ruling things out. It's very possible that James WAS the man at the campground, and that for his own reasons, he had a cover story. My gut feeling is that this case is going to get much more interesting as time goes on. I personally do not think they were hitchhiking, I think they must have had a vehicle. They were, according to the former (now deceased) Coroner, very clean and well groomed, which if you are old enough to remember the heydey of hitchhiking, was not usually the case :p

     
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    I find this very interesting, too, because the sheriff said that they both had been reported missing by their families in 1975, but if he called his wife on Christmas Day of 1975, you'd think they might not have reported him missing until 1976.
     
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    And the KOA guy said "Jock" was a teacher.
     
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    Seeing my pet case being solved... gives me all kinds of feelings. It's weird. I've never felt this way before. They were the case that brought me to the world of Does. I can finally call them by their real names and it's bittersweet.
    James Freund... being half German, I can't help but smile looking at his last name. He did seem like a pretty friendly guy. And he was reported missing, his family was looking for him all these years!
    Pam Buckley... you guys were right, it really is her. And wow, looks like she was quite an artistic and creative soul, a free spirit, no wonder James wanted to hang out with her. Fun fact - she and I share the same initials and birthday. Cool!
    They had such interesting lives, lives that were taken too soon. My heart breaks for them, their families and their friends. I hope they can find some peace knowing that there were many people who cared about Pam and James all these years. I'm grateful for all the people who worked hard to discover our couple's real names. I wish Verna Moore was alive to see this. She was so dedicated to this case.
    Rest in eternal peace, Pam and James. I will not forget you. May justice come swiftly. <3
     
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    Triss, you are the poster I will always associate with this case :) You were in here discussing them at times when very few were. I can only imagine how gratifying these answers are for you.
     
  10. Bit of hope

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    Thanks Triss, wonderfully said. These two were also my "way why" to websleuths....
     
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    Ditto! I've been following this case for a long time but have only had time intermittantly to come back here to check up on it! Kudos to those who stuck with it!

     
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    I knew quite a few guys - cousins, neighbors, brothers of friends - who went through this cycle back then. Early marriage just before or after enlisting in the military, usually not long out of high school. Marriages often broke up before their service was completed. Sometimes the couples already had small children. If the guy did a tour in Vietnam, it was even more difficult. Ken Burns documentary on the Vietnam War a couple years ago addressed a lot of the problems they faced fitting into their old lives back home.

    I've studied genealogy for 20+ years and learned not to judge people's lives until you know more about the times and circumstances in which they lived and feel the same about victims of crime. Killers, not so much.
     
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    DBM misspelled
     
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    Why did it take so long for these two individuals to be entered into the NAMUS database as missing persons? What year were they entered in NAMUS as unidentified individuals? I understand both victims were reported missing. I am not sure of the year but I think they both were reported close to the time of the discovery of the remains. Is there a backlog of missing person cases in particular states to be placed in NAMUS? Do we need to make the public more aware of NAMUS to help solve these old cases.
     
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    First post #1 in this case was in 2004, from @Richard, that's "only" 17 years ago.
     
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    I just saw that Verna has passed.....I wish she had survived to see this, if not for her the dust would have settled long ago...Pams Eyelashes stayed with her...Thank you Ms Moore.

    Vale
     
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    I’ve never posted on this site before, but I’ve been interested in this case since I stumbled upon it about 15 years ago....in fact I still have an email from Deanna at DoeNetwork in 2007 thanking me for alerting them to the news coverage of their bodies being exhumed for DNA.
    One thing that strikes me - it never once occurred to me that their families wouldn’t have been looking for two people together, when in fact it seems that neither family would have been aware that James was with Pamela and Pamela with James - assuming they were together - and wouldn’t have expected them to be. The Canadian angle was clearly a bit misleading, particularly since the “Jacques” theory was reinforced by the “J” on the ring. Another thing often suggested was that they were affluent - in reality he may well have bought his Bulova watch discounted from a PX store when he was in the army, although it’d likely still have cost a bit.
    Kudos to all who worked so hard on this case and gave Pamela and James their names back. RIP.
     
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    I kinda feel they were killed in a robbery, but the rumors about drug runners and the racing circuit seem possible too.
     
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    Exactly. When I read the coroner say how beautiful she was and how clean they were ~ I knew there was something special about these two. I’ve read a lot of war stories here. I don’t think I’ve ever read such a statement from a coroner or any authority about a corpse ~ how beautiful and clean. What a lovely spin shining upon her empathetic profession. These words have grabbed and pulled me into this mystery.
     
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    Ray_of_hope Verified registered nurse

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