NC - MacDonald family murders at Fort Bragg, 1970 - Jeffrey MacDonald innocent?

Discussion in 'Past Trial Discussion Threads' started by hockeymom, Nov 2, 2003.

  1. Rocco

    Rocco Active Member

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    He could have used something else to stab himself. A doctor never would have pulled it out of her chest---and he was a surgeon so everyone would have known he knew better. I think he claimed he pulled it out and claimed he did CPR just so he could explain how he got her blood all over himself. His cover up attempt was one big FAIL.
     
  2. Trident

    Trident Well-Known Member

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    I don't understand why he won't just 'fess up and try to get out on parole. Does he really believe he'll get a new trial and exhonoration?
     
  3. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    Sorry Rocco, I wasn't really disagreeing with you. Just attempting to be sarcastic.

    You are making a very valid point.
     
  4. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    Dr. MacD knew not to pull the knife out of her chest, but he had to do it since he knew he had to account for his fingerprints on it. He knew he had grabbed it from Collette. The helluvit was that she was not wounded by that knife, other than that wound, according to the autopsy. Collette got the knife from the storage area at the back of the bedroom to protect herself when she & Jeff were fighting. That bent knife was used to pry off paint can lids when they were painting Kim's (if my memory serves) bed. Oh, he thought he was so much smarter that the CID and the Feds -- typical Narcissist and sociopath. He found out differently with each group.
     
  5. sooverit

    sooverit New Member

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    During cpr, I would imagine having a knife bouncing up and down in the chest cavity would do more harm than good. If the heart isn't beating, then you don't need to worry about hemorrhaging (the knife acting as a plug), you need a beating heart for blood to spurt.

    Depending on where the attackers were supposed to make entry, (does anyone know?) I don't find it too odd that the wife and children were attacked before JM. Wouldn't most of us assume that in a darkened home after midnight that everyone would be in the bedrooms? They didn't think to check if anyone was sleeping in the livingroom.

    JM said that what woke him up were screams from his family, not from being attacked. He got up to go see what was happening, and saw floppy hat woman and her candle, then he was attacked. His wife and children had no chance, they were awakened by being clubbed or stabbed and totally unprepared to defend themselves. If I had a weapon and was asked who I could inflict more damage on, a sleeping person, or an awake person? Hmmmmm. That might explain the difference in the injuries. These killers could have been cowards who didn't want to take on an adult who is fighting back, especially a green beret. They got him down and ran before he could get back up again.

    BTW, I think he's probably guilty, but this case was so badly bungled that unless and until he admits it, I'll always have a little bit of doubt.
     
  6. Boodles

    Boodles Active Member

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    I had mixed feelings about watching because MacDonald is such an attention wh*re that I know he’s loving the fact that people are watching and talking about him. But I did watch. Nothing new.

    IMO, there is no mystery whatsoever about this case. He’s a despicable human being who has no conscience. I’ll never watch or read another thing about him. He doesn’t deserve anyone’s time.
     
  7. STANDREID

    STANDREID A slacker when slacker wasn't cool

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    Manson has just kicked off so hopefully this steaming pile is next.
     
  8. Seajay

    Seajay Never pass up an opportunity to pee

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    So, as claimed, was their really candle wax in the carpet?

    Did that therapist/psychologist really say that JM was indeed a sociopath that was devoid of feeling?

    I wanted him to be innocent. I followed the trial closely. When the murders occurred, hubby was stationed at Ft. Hood, TX. I was with him. Even though Ft. Bragg was an open base, Ft. Hood was not.

    I read Fatal Vision, all the newspapers because at the time of the trial, he was an ER doctor at my local hospital.

    Most of what he said never made sense and you never saw him cry or mourn the vicious loss of his family.

    4 hippies I never the house. No hair, fingerprints, clothing fibers, foot prints in all that blood, nothing to prove anyone else but the family had been there. Not possible. Something would have been left behind. Something. He did it. And he's still paying for it. He's where he belongs.
     
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  9. sooverit

    sooverit New Member

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    Yes there was candle wax that didn't match candles in the house. Someone here said something about matching wax on bottles in the house, but I don't know where they got that information?

    I don't know whether I should expect public crying from any man in our culture, and especially not a military man. What bothered me was the one interview where he was talking about the case and smiling and laughing. Yeah it was 8-9 years later, even so, I don't think I could ever smile about something so horrific. That to me is one of the indications of possible sociopathy. It's almost like there are times where he will "play the game" and give the expected emotions (as well as he is able) and others where he forgets that he needs to do that, the mask slips. You know?

    The hippies thing bothers me, because he didn't describe them that way. Look at the pictures he did with a police artist and the descriptions below them. The guys have short hair, at least one clean shaven, no one in tie dye, etc. So the only one who could be described as a hippie is the floppy hat woman.

    The police lost 40 fingerprints from the house, as well as a footprint in blood, so it's kind of hard to say there was nothing to prove anyone else was there. Maybe those prints would have been JM and his family's, but we don't know. There was black wool fibers not from the house, there was also hair from a wig.
     
  10. Madeleine74

    Madeleine74 Of course it's my opinion, who else's would it be?

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    This whole new genre, nicknamed by those in the industry, "injustice porn," gets big ratings. People just love a good conspiracy. Even a bad conspiracy will do. The important facts get left out so the side of injustice can be the north star.

    Anyone who is interested in facts and truth would do best to steer clear of these kinds of faux-cumentories because what's being served is a bunch of pablum.
     
  11. katydid23

    katydid23 Verified Juanette

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    I found an answer to the candle wax in past threads here:

    Candle wax drippings were sourced to wine bottles used as a candle holder. We all did that back in the late 60's, 70's, well me and my friends did, don't know about yours. The wax drippings on the washer/dryer were candles you would put on a cake. You throw candles out when they burn down so that's probably the reason no candles were found.

    As for Jimmy Frier, the defence had every opportunity to present him as a witness at trial but chose not to. Could be due to his leaving the treatment programme that day and relapsing.

    If you want to pm me, I can give you links to the trial transcripts, all the hearings in fact, to the hospital records, lab tests, witness statements, etc.
    Multi-Quote This Message
    posted by Cami on 5/02/17

    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Jeffrey-MacDonald-innocent/page96&styleid=21
     
  12. Seajay

    Seajay Never pass up an opportunity to pee

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    Thank you katydid. I use to put candles in bottles as a holder back in the day as well.

    So there was an alternate source to the candles drippings other than the floppy hat girl.

    I was so intrigued by this case. When I was at TI, that's only about a 15 minute/20 minute drive from me. The hospital her was an ER doctor at is the hospital I go to.
     
  13. fatdumplins

    fatdumplins New Member

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    Was this who we now know as "The Golden State Killer"? If so, I believe it took place mere hours after said meeting.

     
  14. lonetraveler

    lonetraveler Well-Known Member

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    Yeah but he needed the ice pick so that he could stab himself.
     
  15. fatdumplins

    fatdumplins New Member

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    Furthermore, during Freddy Kassab's testimony he raises damningly inculpatory facts concerning MacDonald's alleged order of events. For instance, he points out how Macdonald stated that during the attack on himself while on the couch he never got above the seated position, more importantly while leaning forward into his attackers. Considering that the majority of the scrapes he sustained were to his abdomen this makes his recollection a near physical impossibility. Oh and once again, no blood at the site of his attack.
    I am in the middle of reading Christina Masewicz's "Scales of Justice" right now and will repost once complete and my knowledge has reached new depths.

     
  16. U2forever

    U2forever Nothing to stop this being the best day ever

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    Gr8nurse, I have finally figured out how JM & family were attacked by all these crazy intruders without one shred of evidence. They were aliens and I am astonished it took me this long to figure it out.


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  17. deebell510

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    He didn't stab himself with an icepick, he stabbed himself with a scalpel. The doctors said it was a clean, precise wound made with a very sharp blade.
     
  18. deebell510

    deebell510 New Member

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    New to this forum, but a couple things I'd like to point out that I hadn't seen brought up.

    First, blood was found on the Esquire magazine that was under the coffee table in the living room. I believe it was typed as Colette's and Kristen's. Also, Kristen's blood was found on the side of Jeffery's glasses that were also found in the living room. The supposition is that that after he killed Kristen, he went into the living room, picked up his glasses, thumbed through the magazine, then tried to stage the scene.

    Also, much has been made up about the blonde hairs found in hair brushes. The girls had many dolls, several with long blonde hair. Which is more probable, little girls brushing their dolls hair, or an intruder taking time to brush her hair in the midst of a killing frenzy.

    One other thing, a limb hair that was found in Colette's hand, along with splinters from the club, was DNA matched to Jeff.
     
  19. Hap

    Hap Wisher & Dreamer

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    One sick man. And in my opinion, guilty. Never understood WHY he did it though.
     
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