NC - MacDonald family murders at Fort Bragg, 1970 - Jeffrey MacDonald innocent?

Discussion in 'Past Trial Discussion Threads' started by hockeymom, Nov 2, 2003.

  1. Thepoet

    Thepoet Well-Known Member

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    Mica said the woman in the floppy hat was NOT Helena.

    Freddy proved no fight took place in the living room. Lack of space, light, and unbalanced China and greeting cards dudn't fall over!

    You're so right about the results of fighting a Green Beret. And MacDonald trained with the boxing team! The real fighter, the real hero in that house was Collette, not convict!
     
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  2. AGettler

    AGettler Active Member

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    I think a paramedic admitted the cards were down so he set them back up. If true, how weird is that with 4 bloodied bodies you are supposed to work on but you are going to do some house work?
     
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  3. Thepoet

    Thepoet Well-Known Member

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    I've never read that about the paramedic and I've read a lot about the case. Regardless, there was sufficient evidence that NO struggle took place in the living room. This includes the fact that the living room ceiling was low and someone swinging a bat or club, as MacDonald described, would have hit the ceiling. There were no marks on the ceiling. With four people fighting, moving around, and the girl moving to stay out of the way, the living room should have been in a shambles! And it all took place in the dark, with out any sounds being heard? Nope.
     
  4. topcop

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    There's a mountain of evidence that MacDonald committed these murders and that’s why despite endless trials, hearings, witness testimony, and countless reviews he's still in jail. He most likely will die in jail.

    The problem becomes that the average lay person believes that police and the legal system should operate "flawlessly".
    They don't. Mistakes are often made, mostly through carelessness and sometimes deliberately. When they are discovered by the defense, they are pounced on - and rightly so. But then the defense attorneys and some of the general public takes it to the next level. Their position being that because these errors were made - therefore the defendant is innocent - which very seldom ever proves to be the case.

    There are so many reasons not to believe MacDonald’s accounts of the murders. I have always liked this one that goes to the heart of common sense.
    3 men and a woman appear in his living room. The 3 men attack with an ice pick and club. He fends off the ice pick attempts to stab him numerous times with his pajama top using it as a kind of shield; (if memory serves there are over 20 puncture holes in his pajama top).

    That pajama top, he explained later was placed over his wife's chest (by him) with holes that matched the puncture marks on her body (but that's another story and a huge problem for MacDonald.).

    Anyway, just for grins, gather 3 of your favorite male friends and re-create (anyway you wish, using harmless props to represent an icepick and a club). Instruct the 3 of them to try to "stab you” with the icepick and “bash you” with the club while you fend them off with a pajama top. Try it and see how often they actually make contact to your body vs how often you repel their attempts with a pajama top. No one, no how, no way does that happen – not even if you’re Bruce Lee.

    In real life your wrists and forearms are shredded by the icepick – at a minimum. Nothing like that happened to MacDonald. In terms of injuries, he's discharged from the hospital after a very short time while his family was savagely mutilated.
     
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  5. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    Absolutely excellent, topcop. 100%.
     
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