NC - MacDonald family murders at Fort Bragg, 1970 - Jeffrey MacDonald innocent?

Discussion in 'Past Trial Discussion Threads' started by hockeymom, Nov 2, 2003.

  1. EvaGreen

    EvaGreen Active Member

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    Hi Zella, I recently listened to my Fatal Vision audiobook four times in a row because I wanted to dive into the evidence and commit them to memory.

    Jeff’s notes and recordings were super annoying but they
    were useful to compare with known facts and witness
    testimony; they illustrate what a narcissistic liar he is.

    It also shows what he really thought about Colette.





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  2. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    I especially enjoyed the psychologist's comments on our Dr. MacDonald -- his evaluation of the tests, etc., was not allowed in court, which I really wanted included.
    I thought his evaluations were revealing and bolstered my own thoughts about his doubts about his sexuality, and his compensations for those doubts, a la joining the Green Berets, talking (lying) to her about the Boxing Team going to Russia, and sleeping with every pretty woman he could find. I also wondered if Collette may have made a remark about his manhood on "that night."

    And another thought:

    Welcome to Websleuths,
    EvaGreen !!
     
  3. EvaGreen

    EvaGreen Active Member

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    Aww thank you Yeah I found myself going back over the psychologists assessment a lot, and it was so interesting!
    I think he was really afraid of being homosexual, I think
    The psychologist described it as being a phobia of his.

    Btw, what’s your take on Jeff spending that time in
    Texas when he was still living at home with his parents?
     
  4. Zella

    Zella Well-Known Member

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    Oh I agree his sections were incredibly revealing about how little he thought of his family, how much he thought of himself, and how superficial he was. In that sense, they were psychologically interesting, but I life is just too short for me to sit there and read that through the end. LOL I've been reading true crime for over 20 years now, and that is only one of two books I've put down and couldn't finish because of how much the criminal in question repulsed me. He made my skin crawl.
     
  5. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    It's been a while since I've read it, although I have read it 4--5 times in the last 20 years...
    I don't recall Jeff and the Texas trip vs. staying home with his parents. I rattled my brain and nothing came out. :confused:
    Refresh my memory, or maybe someone else can recall it!
     
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  6. EvaGreen

    EvaGreen Active Member

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    Oh I was referring to when he was in high school and a friend of the family really liked Jeff and invited him to spend a couple weeks in Texas but it lasted a few months.

    The man’s wife said he was very attracted (her word) to Jeff.

    His father was angry and believed Jeff abandoned his family.
    It really upset him.

    McGinnis referred Jeff’s interpretation of a Rorschach test
    that had to do with an older man watching a boy sleep.
    Jeff said that the boy may have mistook the man’s affection
    as something untoward.
     
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  7. Catmommy

    Catmommy I see more than I say

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    You know, I have no reason to think he checks out things about himself on the internet but I hope he does and I hope Jeffrey MacDonald reads this thread.
     
  8. EvaGreen

    EvaGreen Active Member

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    Lol, it would be awesome if he read this thread.
    Dissecting his psych reports, pointing out his grandiose lies about himself and his cruelty to
    his wife. We have his number, and he’s a weakling.
     
  9. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    Yes, yes, yes, @EvaGreen, I remember now! Thanks for the refresh!
    And I do remember his Rorschach interpretations! Very telling, and, to me, not surprising.
    Was any part of this man genuine? Grrrrr.
    At least he's genuinely in the slammer!
     
  10. Zella

    Zella Well-Known Member

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    The only thing I remember him seeming to have a genuine reaction to and some actual reflection capability on (though not turned inward) was in the sections I read where he talked about his relationship with his father and his father's personality, but of course, the fact he had issues with his dad and was on the receiving end of being hurt by his father is probably why. Because he was personally affected (and humiliated and made uncomfortable) by it.

    In contrast, I don't think he ever cared about hurting his wife and kids, even before he killed them because it didn't hurt ol' Jeff. I was disturbed by how coldly and impersonally he talked about them every single time he mentioned them, even in an allegedly loving context.

    "we fell in love and whatnot."
    "I thought having Kimberley was neat."

    Now that it has been mentioned, I also remember him having some real hangups about masculinity, which, again, he attributed to/blamed his father for.
     
  11. borndem

    borndem Anglophile & registered demwit

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    Good post -- I agree 100% -- he loved only himself.
    His over-compensation about his manhood led him to do some very stupid things -- his womanizing, the going-to-Russia "boxing" charade (he could have said he was going over there to show the Russian doctors some new ERoom techniques), telling his father-in-law that he had killed one of the killers of his family. Grrrrr.
    But, I say again, the slime-ball is still in the slammer. :D
     
  12. cujenn81

    cujenn81 Well-Known Member

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    I listened to the audiobook while commuting to work. I usually hate the way narrators alter their voice to sound like “the characters” in most audiobooks but this one was really well done. The police recordings of JM’s actual interviews are also included.
     
  13. marydetail

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    just thought of something- maybe Collette was talking to the intruders since they came in the back door and when they said they were there to kill the children she replied to them, and not jeff
     
  14. MrsWatson

    MrsWatson Well-Known Member

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    What intruders? Could you please provide a link that shows LE established that there were indeed intruders that night?
     
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  15. Sonny Crockett

    Sonny Crockett Well-Known Member

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    There were no intruders in the house that night. JM just made them up in order to deflect suspicion/attention away from himself. He was soley responsible for these heinous crimes.
     
  16. marydetail

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    Has anyone ever read anything about why there would have been 5 different weapons used the night of the murders? The baseball bat (used on Jeff according to him), the two different knives, the board and the icepick? Wondering why he would need 3 stabbing weapons. The Los Angeles coroner and another coroner who reviewed case years later indicated it would be more than one perpetrator.
     
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  17. Catmommy

    Catmommy I see more than I say

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    Probably because MacDonald truly thought he was so much smarter than the investigators that he used different weapons to give just the impression of more than one attacker and support his ridiculous story.
     
  18. marydetail

    marydetail New Member

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    Good thought. Thanks.
     
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  19. MyCatLovesTV

    MyCatLovesTV New Member

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    I am totally new here (signed up just now) so I hope I don't make too many newbie mistakes. Anyway, I just wanted to pipe in that MacDonald might indeed have gotten away with it had it not been for the dogged relentless pursuit of justice for his daughter & granddaughters by the amazing Freddy Kassab! MacD was smart and, as McG called him "beyond morality," but he couldn't get past Freddie and "his patience of Job!"

    Thanks and I'm off to read more posts on my new obsession...The Jeffrey MacDonald Case!
     
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    MyCatLovesTV New Member

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    I also recommend McG's follow-up book that was his last word on this case, "Final Vision." He answers the questions many have had and responds to MacD's defenders as well. I put it on Kindle to read on vacation next month but I had to read it immediately! Hope others enjoy/enjoyed it, too!
     
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