NC NC - Wilkes Co., Photo of Gagged Woman Tied To Chair, Circa 1970's or Early 80's

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  1. Bird of Paradise

    Bird of Paradise Well-Known Member

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    It does look like the gag fabric at the top of whatever is behind her head, I agree on that point. Fascinating thought about the lever or whatever that is being used to tighten the gag. Sounds plausible.

    bsarlo: Agree this may lead to nothing but when it comes to identifying objects in photos, my POV is the more photos one views, the more experience we get at fine tuning our skills.
     


  2. mrtnira

    mrtnira Well-Known Member

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    Bsarlo, I feel the same way.

    The potential to "solve" this, or many of the threads found on Web Sleuths, through crowd sourcing using publicly available information, is slim to none. However, it is useful for developing a public body of knowledge about events, people, and the unsolved. There is value to this. A retired investigator who becomes captivated to solve this particular question -- who is the bound girl in the chair -- might find exposure to this on Web Sleuths and begin his or her personal quest for resolution. Or a criminal justice instructor may take it as his or her personal pursuit and help develop investigative skills of students who volunteer over the course of their college career.

    For something like this particular question -- the bound woman in a chair 30-40 years ago, it would take an investigator developing a list of contacts through interviews, and showing them the picture of the woman. Interviewing people who knew the man at the time, following up with name leads, and asking questions about the woman in the photograph (even if she is unknown) would eventually develop a picture of the man at the time and begin options for further investigation. This takes classic gumshoe detective work, unless someone sees this or hears of it on Web Sleuths by word of mouth and drops in and gives a data dump on this and related activity at the time of the photograph.
     
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  3. bsarlo

    bsarlo Active Member

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    Were there only the three hair braids and the slide?
     
  4. maconrich

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    This won't help, but the thin braid reminded me that in the early 80s I used to braid a section of my hair (maybe 2 inches from the front) - hair was down to my waist and very thick. Looked a lot like the thin one in the photo right down to the kind of band used. Had a lot of guys tell me they "wanted" my braid. Never took them seriously esp since always in a crowded place (so no reason to fear them).
     
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  5. CarlK90245

    CarlK90245 UID Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Yes, the three locks of hair, the slide, and a few pages of stuff written by her, explaining who he was and his history. She also included a copy of their divorce papers.
     
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  6. Teche

    Teche Well-Known Member

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    That triangular item behind her head reminds me of a headrest, the kind attached to car seats. I don't know what a vehicle headrest looked like in that timeframe.
     
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  7. DQN

    DQN Former Member

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    If the police had no interest in pursuing this with the husband, there may be a reason. <modsnip> First she said the braids are possibly the girl in the photo or someone else's then she said it may be my husbands. He probably saved it to tell everyone look how long my hair used to be....

    The scarf in her mouth is just that, a wool or cotton scarf or the start of a baby blanket. The gray plastic behind her head looks like the weave machine because the scarf is feeding into it and resting on a chair. Now weavers are wooden and metal, that looks like a cheap model or maybe they were made like that in the 70's or 80's. I think the photo was staged as with her latest creation. If someone was actually using it as an actual gag (which I doubt) they would have used a tie instead and/or they would have yanked it out of the weave machine.
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  8. Laughing

    Laughing Well-Known Member

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    DQN, I have a knitting machine purchased in '84 or '85 & have used others, none of them looked like this.

    Can you post a picture of the machine you are talking about?
     
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  9. DQN

    DQN Former Member

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    I did not spend anytime looking for it. If you look behind her head it seems as though the scarf is feeding into it or out of it in 3 places, top, middle and lower part it looks like the same consistency of fabric, unless it is other fabric or wool in it. It definitely appears to grey plastic.
     
  10. BigCityAccountant

    BigCityAccountant Well-Known Member

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    Does anyone see a picture on the wall about 5" below the curtain on the right hand side?
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  11. jccoa1999

    jccoa1999 Former Member

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    I saw what I thought to be a knot in the wood paneling! My opinion only

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  12. jccoa1999

    jccoa1999 Former Member

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    But now I see what you're seeing as a paper hanging

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  13. SeesSeas

    SeesSeas FLORIDIAN

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    Good thoughts about the object behind her head being a weaving loom and that the woven material in her mouth is extended from the loom.

    I did a lot of hand craft in the 1960&#8217;s and 70&#8217;s &#8211; weave, knit, crochet, embroidery.

    Here is a photo of a small weaving loom, noted as a &#8220;toy 1970-1975&#8221;
    http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-old...70-1975-year/161615277855?hash=item25a1056f1f

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  14. mrtnira

    mrtnira Well-Known Member

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    About the appearance of a headrest on the chair, it could be an optical illusion. If something were against the wall behind the chair, taken at the correct angle, the thing behind the chair might appear to be part of the chair. It is a common occurrence in photography, where the background seems to merge with the thing being photographed, and then it looks like there was no separation between the objects.
     
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  15. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Why should this be summarily dismissed as fraud without a thorough investigation?
    We have an ex who has stepped forward at her own personal risk claiming she believes her ex has harmed young women. She has provided pics of what *appear* to be trophies, and her own claims of abuse. Then there is this picture.

    That is enough for me. I want it vigorously investigated beyond personal experiences or opinions. Speaking of which, MOO!
     
  16. EuTuCroquet?

    EuTuCroquet? “What's happening to my special purpose!?”

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    Gotta ask: Have the police seen the hair braids and/or photo, and/or the notes that were mailed to you?


    [emoji202]MOO
     
  17. rosesfromangels

    rosesfromangels Amateur speculations and opinion only

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    Notice the shoulders are up which, to me, indicates the arms are tied behind the back. Try it yourself and watch your shoulders go upward.
     
  18. DQN

    DQN Former Member

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    How do you know the police did not investigate this more? and the ex husband told them who she was and where they could reach her. It could have been an ex girlfriend before he married his now ex wife. The wife didn't like the police reaction so she sent the photo to Carl. She also sent braided hair and when Carl called her she said she thinks it was ex husbands hair. Really? She sent Carl hair that she thinks was her ex's..

    If need be it's the Police's job to take it further, however for some reason they didn't think they needed to.
     
  19. EuTuCroquet?

    EuTuCroquet? “What's happening to my special purpose!?”

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    The truth here is that we don't know whether it has been investigated or not — or what information police might or might not actually have.

    To clarify, the ex sent more than just a photo to Carl, which is why Carl opened a thread here on WS to discuss them, imo. (Not that I mean to speak for Carl, and I apologize if I'm inadvertently stepping on anyone's toes.)


    [emoji202]MOO
     
  20. noexplanation

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    I feel like the thing behind her head is a headrest from a chair. It's one of those wicker chairs that were so big in the early 80's. JMOO


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