Here ya go, I'll oblige.
Thanks all.
It looks like we won't know the victim's names today. LE said 5 females and 3 males, some employees and some customers. When asked if any were children, LE refused to answer.
There was just a documentary on I watched about that. The police can't keep up with the hig power weapons on the street, and are being outgunned. Some forces are now using assault type rifles. My sister just finished training on two new ones her department has switched to. They used to have shotguns in their cars, but not anymore. When she first started 21 years ago , standard issue was a .38, then .45, then .357, now she carries a 9mm and the assault rifle.You're WRONG. Assault weapons were banned for awhile, and the ban expired. These types of guns used to be only for the military. Weaponry and need for weaponry changes with the times, and the advancement of types of weapons. There are some weapons disturbed people don't need to be toting around.
Assault weapons kill many people, really, realy fast. YOU know what they are; you know the Constitution did not intend people to protect themselves with this type of weapon. It has nothing to with a Const. amendment; Congress banned assault weapons. Guilliani got rid of excess guns in NY. It's up to the discretion of the states and the voters.
That's like saying it's OK for me to have a small nuclear bomb and throw it out my door to protect my house. It destroys many people quickly.
Don't worry; as a victim of Charles Whitman, I know all about mass shootings. This is an inappropriate time to get into a "gun rights" discussion - we don't even know who has lived or died.
Don't worry, no one will take away your guns - not in this country. I and my husband protect ourselves with appropriate guns also.
Haven't you read about how police are being gunned down by assault weapons now? 50% increase in deaths this year. Read up - it pays to be informed.
There was just a documentary on I watched about that. The police can't keep up with the hig power weapons on the street, and are being outgunned. Some forces are now using assault type rifles. My sister just finished training on two new ones her department has switched to. They used to have shotguns in their cars, but not anymore. When she first started 21 years ago , standard issue was a .38, then .45, then .357, now she carries a 9mm and the assault rifle.
The assault weapon ban didn't stop Columbine. In a country the size of America, you cannot keep any weapons off of the black market and out of bad guy's hands. And the loopholes in the ban were ludicrous and easy to get around. How so? Give me the exact definition of an "assault rifle."
There was just a documentary on I watched about that. The police can't keep up with the hig power weapons on the street, and are being outgunned. Some forces are now using assault type rifles. My sister just finished training on two new ones her department has switched to. They used to have shotguns in their cars, but not anymore. When she first started 21 years ago , standard issue was a .38, then .45, then .357, now she carries a 9mm and the assault rifle.
ETA: How the h*ll did he get the rifle????
Every LE that I know personally carries an AR-15 or similar rifle in their cars. And these are small towns around here. PLUS shotguns, I should add. This has been for several years, too.
ETA: I wonder why she downsized from a .45 and .357 to a 9mm? That's going the wrong direction if you're adding firepower. You make up for it with capacity, I realize.
Wrong again. That's a myth that the gun lobby perpetrates.
Studies show banning assault weapons does lower crime. It DOES keep guns away from bad guys; of course not ALL. background check important of course. The gun lobby controls America. We have more guns than any other country. Where will it all end? In tragedy, like now.
The access to all guns is way too easy, plus families are irresponsible.
"Cho", is a good example of record keeping that fell through the cracks. He was a psycho; and got a gun easily. A crack in Virginia law, now they tightened up - after 25 COLLEGE KIDS WERE GUNNED DOWN.
Sorry, "AUTOMATIC WEAPONS" I call those assault weapons. Semi-automatic weapons. Those don't need to be in any teenagers and "mental" persons hands. We have a long way to go....lock up your guns parents.
Police deaths up 50% this year alone due to automatic weapons. It was on the ABC news; and I've read it several other places. The gangs are using them too.
Obviously some measures need to be taken, and I don't feel like arguing about it. That's up to Congress and the people to vote and write their Congressmen. The frequency of these mass killings is just ridiculous. Obviously, we have some kind of problem going on. We need better mental health care also, so depressed people can go for help. IMO
On MSNBC it says 9 total. Goodnite; what a sad thing.
She really didn't like the .357, too big for her hands. They made a special grip for hers. She likes the 9mm a lot better and quicker to reload. Also, the vest she wears is not that good stopping high powered ammo. I worry about that going up against an automatic rifle. She's only been shot at once through a door by a rifle, the vest stopped it. She got a cracked rib. The vest she wears also has a molded steel plate insert. We do a lot of praying for her.
I really wish I knew the answer to get those guns off the streets. My son told me he saw a guy he went to school with pop his trunk at the mall and asked him if he wanted to buy one. :banghead: Guy had 4 M4's!!!! He was selling them for a mere $300 each. I can't figure out WHERE this kid got those guns.
Ok, back to the subject:
"He was a quiet, helpful young man. He was depressed and has always been depressed. But he was NOT on medication for mental illness" DUHHHH
He loved animals. But did have criminal past (drugs, disorderly conduct). The warning signs were there.
LOst his girlfriend, lost his job.
We've been here before - they're always male, always depressed or angry; always just "lost someone" or a job.
What does it take for mentally ill people to get help? There are hundreds and thousands of these people just lurking, waiting for a "trigger" to go off - pardon the pun.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22126514/