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  1. natalievr07

    natalievr07 Member

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    Hi everyone. My name is Natalie and I need a little help on a man by the name of "George Christian Honold" or "George John Honold". He lived in Cincinnati, Ohio. He is the great grandfather of one of my distant relatives. Her family believed that "George Christian Honold" committed suicide around 1927. But when looking into her family history, she discovered he went by a different name, "George John Honold" and that he had passed in 1988. I'm either thinking that he faked his death and started a second family, or that his identity was stolen?Any information you can find is very helpful to me. Thank you.
     
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    JrzyGirl70 Well-Known Member

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    From US Veterans Administration Records:

    Name:
    George Christian Honold
    Record Type: Military Service
    Birth Date: 5 Sep 1894
    Residence Place: Cincinatti, Ohio
    Death Date: 23 Mar 1932
     
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    JrzyGirl70 Well-Known Member

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    A date of birth would be helpful
     
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    JrzyGirl70 Well-Known Member

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    US World War 1 Draft Cards

    Name: George Christian Honold
    Race: Caucasian (White)
    Marital status: Single
    Birth Date: 5 Sep 1894
    Birth Place: Ohio, USA
    Residence Date: 1917-1918
    Street Address: 2335 Victor
    Residence Place: Cincinnati, Hamilton, Ohio, USA
    Draft Board: 04
    Physical Build: Stout
    Height: Tall
    Hair Color: Dark Brown
    Eye Color: Dark Brown

    Name: George John Honold
    Race: White
    Birth Date: 1 Aug 1898
    Residence Date: 1917-1918
    Street Address: 1891 Montrose
    Residence Place: Cincinnati, Hamilton, Ohio, USA
    Draft Board: 08
    Physical Build: Medium
    Height: Short
    Hair Color: Brown
    Eye Color: Brown
    Mother: Anna Scharfer
     
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    Thank you so much! I will look into this and post more if I find anything.
     
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    Was he born in West Virginia?
    Name George Honold
    Birth Aug 1 1898
    Death Dec 1986
    Last residence Cincinnati, Ohio 45205, USA
    SSN issuing state West Virginia
     
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    That might be him. The birth date is correct. I’ll look into it! Thank you so much!
     
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    doublestop Well-Known Member

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    It appears from the draft registration records that there were two George Honolds living in Cincinnati...why does she think they are the same person?
     
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    Not completely sure. I'm more leaning towards the fact that it was either stolen identity or two different people.
     
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    Laughing Well-Known Member

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    In those years, with a fairly unusual surname, they are likely related.

    George C.'s parents seem to be Michael & Wallburga, born in Germany. Both gentlemen worked in a brewery per a Federal census; lived at 2335 Victor Street in Cincinnati. Apparently George C. passed in 1932, is interred in the Vine Street Hill Cemetery. Apparently in December of 1922, George C. married Wilhemina Baumann. They had at least one child, George Roudolph, who married Minnie McCauley Moore (a widow) in 1954. Apparently George R. was serving in the Air Force at the time, at Wright-Patterson.

    George J. apparently died in 1986. I didn't follow his line, just a guess.

    Hamilton County OHGenWeb

    Welcome to the HCGS!

    Hamilton County (Ohio) Genealogical Society

    Is your family tied in through George Roudolph? I didn't notice any other sibs, but didn't really look. Glad other posters found the WWI Draft Cards, they weren't working for me this morning!

    Keep us posted, please!

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    Thank you so smush! I just found out that George Rudolph was related! I will continue to look for more info but I believe that my relative wants to take a dna test to find out.
     
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    Sure, but there are plenty of records for these folks, and Ohio has nice forms & super microfilming! DNA is useful, but you & your family may still need the paper trail to make sense of your DNA results.

    (I've been combing English ancestors out of Colonial records, and Irish & Welsh pre-Civil War. Even the German names are accessible with neat forms & nice handwriting! Your family is easy going so far.)

    1954 is recent genealogically. There will be other records, but you may need to switch to newspapers:

    LibGuides: Newspapers at the Archives & Library of the Ohio History Connection: Getting Started

    Newspapers

    Genealogy : Ohio Historical Newspapers | Wright State University Libraries

    LibGuides: Historical U.S. Newspapers Online: O
     
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    Hi everyone! I would like to start by thanking all of you for your help. It means a lot to me and my family member. After looking through some records and analyzing all the helpful information people sent to me, I was able to figure out the real story. The real name was George Christian Honold. He did commit suicide, and his identity was later stolen. Dna was still in the records for the fake name- that's why it linked two different people back to my relative. I was able to find the gravesite for George C, proving that he died way earlier than the 80's. (when the man under the fake name passed.) There was no gravesite record for a George J anywhere. I will continue to skim over more information, but I wanted to share that I have a solid theory. Pretty crazy, right?
     
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    I'm still unclear on where the stolen identity idea came from? There were two different George Honolds living in Cincinnati according to their draft cards. Odds are that they were related to each other, and would thus both be related to your relative. Where does the stolen identity come in?

    Here is the death info for George J. Honold:
    Name: George J Honold
    Gender: Male
    Race: White
    Age: 88
    Birth Date: Est 1898
    Birth Place: Ohio, USA
    Residence Place: Cincinnati, Hamilton, Ohio, USA
    Death Date: 18 Dec 1986
    Death Place: Cincinnati, Hamilton, USA
    Inquest Hospital: Long-Term Care Facilities
    Registrar's Certificate Number: 093320
    Inquest Questions: Certifier: Physician; Autopsy Performed?: Yes, used for certification;
    Industry: Primary aluminum industries
    Occupation: Managers and administrators, not elsewhere classified
     
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    Maybe a sibling? It could be possible, but her family doesn't recall him having a sibling. Probably one they didn't know about. Thank you!
     
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    George J's parents seem to be Jacob and Anna. Jacob probably died before 1910, and Anna remarried in 1911 to Henry Schafer.
     
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    DNA from a suicide in 1932?? So confused..
     
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    I've done some more digging, and the theory is slowly falling apart. All of your information is very helpful to me. I'm digging through old records to find a more realistic idea of what happened. Sorry for all the confusion.
     
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    doublestop Well-Known Member

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    [​IMG] From the Cincinnati Inquirer, March 24, 1932.
     

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    Nice, @doublestop!

    I've considered getting out my genealogy materials -- just to see what I would charge for this amount of work!

    jmho ymmv lrr
     
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