Netflix documentary on this case released soon

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  1. HayLouise

    HayLouise Law Student

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    Also two new episodes since I last posted this link: (Which is were I first learned of the above witness statement)

    Maddie - Maddie - Omny.fm
     
  2. HayLouise

    HayLouise Law Student

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  3. Mercsw

    Mercsw Well-Known Member

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    Memories of holidays include falling asleep on restaurant chairs as family dined together whilst music played. It’s a right of passage and a usual sight to see families enjoying themselves whilst the kids sleep beside them. You don’t know the area or the people enough to leave kids alone. I wouldn’t do that in Peterborough why would I do that in Costa unknown?
     
  4. Mercsw

    Mercsw Well-Known Member

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    Perception is everything I guess. The press here lapped up this idea of lazy bent coppers sleeping, smoking and fitting up Johnny englander. I can’t speak for every cop (we have some awful ones here in the uk too) but surely they all have some form of professional pride and empathy?
     
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  5. mrjitty

    mrjitty Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. I was mocking the English tabloid coverage.
     
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  6. Officer Dibble

    Officer Dibble Well-Known Member

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    I've never considered this but its a valid point imo
     
  7. sleuthin4fun

    sleuthin4fun Active Member

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    Costa?
     
  8. mrjitty

    mrjitty Well-Known Member

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    Of course one of the main reasons why you can't leave kids that young by themselves is the risk of fire or some other misadventure if they wake
     
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  9. sgrump

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    Binged watched and don't think the parents are involved at all... I think Madeleine is alive. The investigation was shockingly lax and incomplete by both police and all private parties. They were intent on looking at this as committed by a pedophile or the parents but never looked at the approach of kidnapping to get a child. As in a replacement for a little girl that died. There should have been an inquiry into all the families of young small girls that had died within 5 years or so in Portugal and Spain, even Southern France.

    If it were a pedophile/sex motive they would not have left the other 2 kids, like a bank robber leaving the vault half full. If the parents were involved there would have been undeniable forensic evidence.

    If she is alive she would be about 15 or 16 and questioning her self... and will present herself eventually... after wondering why there are no baby pictures of her or why she looks so different from her parents or siblings... or even may stumble upon the 'crime' online and a picture of Madeleine at the Ocean Club and know it's her. As in she is a near typical teenager in a suburban Madrid family.

    Just a possibility...
     
  10. Mercsw

    Mercsw Well-Known Member

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    Papers full of “new links definitely not linked to parents” today. Must be six months already and more funding is needed for the case....
     
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  11. Officer Dibble

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    I have been a member of webslueths for a long time. Seems like I am here a lot and then life gets in the way. So.... I don't post often. All that to say, as a family we have always traveled often to similar places as Praia da Luz. I have followed this case from the beginning. The mother in me wants to believe that the parents were not involved. I asked my husband the other night "do you recall, in all our travels when the kids were young did we ever go out and leave them alone sleeping in the apartment." His response was "We would have never done that, you would be a nervous wreck". This is a practice of some parents that I just don't get. Is this common in some cultures?

    In response to your first point- I am in the medical profession. Because of the things I have seen I am very easily able to maintain control of myself in the most dire circumstances. Now, I say that also adding that I am an extremely emotional person. When there is a crisis though, I am a rock. Behind closed doors I can fall apart. Because of the McCanns background this may be what you are witnessing. I know you could argue "but the is their child", and I get that. I just feel like I could possibly behave in the same way.

    As far as Kate not crying in public, I don't know. I again could see myself losing control in private, while being able to maintain composure in public.

    I do agree that in public their behavior as a couple seems a bit off. Definitely G is In Charge!

    I do feel that the McCanns believe that the police in Praia da Luz were incompetent, and that they themselves were superior human beings. Ummm you are in a forge in country and need all the help you can get! I wonder if that is typical of them in everyday life?

    Just a few thoughts. Enjoy reading your posts.[/QUOTE]


    The bits you mention above about Kate not crying. Could it be she was on anti depressants either pre Madeleine going missing or post? They can often block the ability to cry.
     
  12. Plod

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    Just been reading in the Daily Mail of the new potential abductor, a German paedophile. He’s killed 3 young boys already. This makes me wonder if he’s a suspect why take Madeleine and not Sean especially? Or was he part of a paedo ring?
     
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  13. mrjitty

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    The 'new suspect' was already a suspect in tabloid articles in 2011
     
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  14. Mercsw

    Mercsw Well-Known Member

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    They just recycle old stories to ensure they get more funding. You won’t hear this story again until six months time when their media spin doctor gets it on the front page again to secure more funds...

    As pointed out, if it’s that great a lead, why has it taken 12 years to discover?
     
  15. mrjitty

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    Yeah - its complete nonsense.

    Also if they finally have evidence to tie the guy to the case, why splash it in the papers?

    In the actual article there is nothing to link the guy to PDL in 2007. As you say, it just the usual May spin.
     
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  16. Mercsw

    Mercsw Well-Known Member

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    If there is a link, any average defence lawyer would have the case thrown out as a mistrial on the back of prejudices and unfair trial.

    That’s before we explain how a paedo interested in young boys, suddenly got an urge for very young girls and managed to become a ghost...despite being sloppy much later.
     
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  17. Keine Engel

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    Not True!
    As this keeps repeatedly stated here's the original case files for anybody interested in the actual facts.

    (Not a directed at @sgrump specifically;))
    *A-C ONLY
    (way less than 10% complete list at link)

    OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS
    CASE FILES INDEX

    ALPHABETICAL LIST (1ST NAME ORDER)
    A----------
    Adriaan Jacobus Van Marais, Resident of Praia de Luz, Golfinho Restaurant, early search, p. 3150
    Alan Robert Pike, crisis counsellor, 2008.05.07, CR 3 p. 12 to 13
    Alayn Hernandez Fundora, barman Ocean Club, p. 714
    Alexander James Cameron Married to Patricia Gerrys sister Pages 64 to 65
    Alexandra Nicole de Sousa, Millenium Restaurant, p. 665
    Alice Maria Velhuco Ciriaco Guerreiro Silvestre, Millenium Restaurant, p. 282
    Amanda Jane Coxon, friend of Kate, used to work for the McCanns, 2008.05.02, CR 4 p. 1 to 2
    Amy Ellen Tierney (1/2), creche worker, page 229
    Amy Ellen Tierney (2/2), creche worker (about use of printer) p. 4193
    Andrew Lloyd Palmer FSS - Madeleine's hair oa p 327 to 333
    Antonio Joaquim da Conceicao, gardener Ocean Club, p. 659
    Antonio Henrique da Duarte Conceicao (1/2) GNR Officer - Lagos, p. 1315
    Antonio Henrique de Conceicao Duarte (2/2)GNR Officer - Lagos, p. 3988
    Antonio Manuel Ginjeira, Chef, Tapas Restaurant, Ocean Club, p. 646
    Andrea Griffin, Sighting in Alcateia, A. 4 V. 1 p. 225
    Antonio Toscano Marquez, Journalist, p. 1897
    Ana Marilia do Carmo Silva, Millenium Restaurant, p. 284
    Antonio Freitas Silva, GNR Officer, Search dog team, p. 762
    Aoife Smith, Family who saw a man carrying a child in Praia da Luz on the night of the disappearance, p. 1611
    Aritson Henrique Soares Santos Lucio, Tapas Restaurant, kitchen worker, p. 644
    Arlindo Epifanio Goncalves Fernandes Peleja, Executive chef Ocean Club, also Tapas restaurant, p. 471
    Armando Augusto Morais, GNR Officer, Search dog team, p.1333
    Arul Silvio Gaspar, Friend of the McCann family, 'Payne allegation', p. 3916
    Auzela Tania Damiao Andre Bingui, Student/worker, Ocean Club, p. 681
    Aurelio Mendes Guerreiro, Bar Pacifico-Vilamoura, was contacted by Pat Perkins on the night of 3/4 may, p. 3459
    B----------
    Barrington Godfrey Norton, Music teacher, lived in car, Praia da Luz, p. 704
    Barend Jan Jacob Weijdom, Property manager, resident of Praia da Luz, early search, p. 1330
    Bernardino de Abreu Pereia da Silva (1/2), Maintenance worker/driver, Ocean Club, reported suspicion, p. 372 p. 4114
    Bridget O Donnell Holiday maker partner of Jeremy Wilkins p3407
    Brian Kennedy Metodo3 PJ Meeting Pages 3434 to 3436
    C----------
    Caroline Burrows
    Leicestershire police force Page 8
    Carlo Francisco D'Ambrosio, Former Apartment 5 A Occupant, CR 5 p. 42
    Carlos Alberto Gouveia do Nascimento, Gardener, Ocean Club, p. 553
    Carlos Manuel Carvalho Lacao, GNR Officer, Search dog team, p. 1335
    Carlos Manuel Figueiredo Pereira, Civil Engineer, re: road works in Praia da Luz, p. 1652
    Carlos Manuel Matos Costa, Businessman, reports suspicion about Robert Murat, p. 1286
    Carol Tranmer, Mrs Fenn's niece, CR 4 p. 27
    Carolyn Kish, saw/overheard G. McCann in Lagos may 7, p. 3924
    Catia Cristina dos Reis Galvao, Cleaner, Ocean Club, p. 758
    Catia Sofia da Costa, Waitress, Millenium Restaurant, p. 594
    Catriona Treasa Sisile Baker (1/2), Childcare worker, Ocean Club, p. 253
    Catriona Treasa Sisile Baker (2/2), Childcare worker, Ocean Club, CR 5 p. 3
    Cecilia Paula Dias Firmino do Carmo, Received guests at Millenium Restaurant,
    p. 277
    Celeste Libania dos Santos, Cleaner, Ocean Club, p. 846
    Celeste Da Conceicao Antao da Silva, Cleaner, Ocean Club, p. 365
    Charlotte Elizabeth Anne Pennington, Childcare worker, Ocean Club, p. 378
    Claire Louise Fawkes Former 5A occupant Pages 44 to 46
    Clarence Eden Mitchell, McCann family spokesman, CR 5 p. 1
    Custodia Maria dos Reis Espada, Cleaner, Ocean Club, p. 36.....
    Complete Index A-Z
    P.J. POLICE FILES: CASE FILES INDEX
     
  18. Mercsw

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    The Portuguese police may have been a bit naïve to start. They were looking for a missing child and seemed to be in this media storm that was already out of control before they started.

    Any inkling of foul play and they should have seized the cameras and phones immediately of all involved. Otherwise you can only go where the evidence suggests
     
  19. mrjitty

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    So it's far more absurd than that by the looks.

    We are expected to believe its the PJ after this guy, but then the family spokesman is making statements to the Sun about the suspect? :confused:

    This story is 100% BS

    ‘SCOTLAND YARD TIP OFF’
    Mr Mitchell said that Portuguese Police’s fresh bid to close in on Maddie’s kidnapper was “action on a tip off from Scotland Yard”.

    He explained: “The Yard has been doing a fair amount of work on this new person of interest and they then ask Portuguese officers to nail it down.


    “If activity needs to be done, the local police have to do it even if it’s a foreign force’s investigation.

    “And if Ney is the person of interest a German force will then have to get involved to interview him on their soil.”

    He added: “Kate and Gerry are not in a position to comment on this, nor would they because it is operational detail and they will not discuss it.

    “It is purely for the police if they choose to comment.​
     
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    Worst documentary ever.
     
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