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Where is this Memory Card? And don't the side of that light look smashed in?
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only other time it is mentioned.
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only other time it is mentioned.
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I have done a lot of reading Mystic.... I do not think it was looked at, or if it was, it was nothing worth mentioning. Or who knows.... is there a chance that it was agreed upon earlier to not bring it up? (kinda like blurring the numbers on the phone bills or not putting them up during the trial) Pre-trial motions... deciding what they will agree on, what is inadmissible, etc.
 

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I agree with this...I have always said I am not completely certain of SA's innocence, as well. My only problem with this concept is if SA did do it, why on earth did they have to go to such lengths to completely disregard ANY type of LEGITIMATE investigation into this matter? No looking into ALL suspects in order to rule ppl out, a lot of forensic evidence that could have been tested and wasn't (such as the 8 fingerprints found on the RAV4 that were never tested for anyone but SA), why wasn't the crime scene processed properly with the correct forensic specialists allowed to document, examine, and recover evidence correctly? I don't know, it just seems like to me if SA HAD done this even partly as they said he did, why did they have to go to so much trouble to make it LOOK like he did it. Shouldn't Some of the evidence been there without them having to mess with EVERYTHING the way it looks like they did?

I agree Jaiddie. There isn't one piece of evidence that I look at and can say ... oh yep, no way that was tampered with or it wasn't a result of incompetence. Everything from the bones.... to the photographs.... to who unlocked the dang door on the RAV4, and when, and who was there, and who had access... grrrrrrr so frustrating LOL
 

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I have done a lot of reading Mystic.... I do not think it was looked at, or if it was, it was nothing worth mentioning. Or who knows.... is there a chance that it was agreed upon earlier to not bring it up? (kinda like blurring the numbers on the phone bills or not putting them up during the trial) Pre-trial motions... deciding what they will agree on, what is inadmissible, etc.
Yeah I don't know. Was swabbed for DNA but never tested why? It had her name on it, so I wonder if this was a work Compact Flash Card she would overnight to them after her shoots to get them in the magazine on time? Why would the case be in the front and the disk in the back. such an odd place for a lone disk to be lying don't you think? Could someone have deleted what was on it before pulling it from the camera? could the deleted information be pulled from it? Just one of those odd pieces of evidence.

If it wasn't worth mentioning, maybe that is why that journal was never mentioned again either.
 

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I agree with this...I have always said I am not completely certain of SA's innocence, as well. My only problem with this concept is if SA did do it, why on earth did they have to go to such lengths to completely disregard ANY type of LEGITIMATE investigation into this matter? No looking into ALL suspects in order to rule ppl out, a lot of forensic evidence that could have been tested and wasn't (such as the 8 fingerprints found on the RAV4 that were never tested for anyone but SA), why wasn't the crime scene processed properly with the correct forensic specialists allowed to document, examine, and recover evidence correctly? I don't know, it just seems like to me if SA HAD done this even partly as they said he did, why did they have to go to so much trouble to make it LOOK like he did it. Shouldn't Some of the evidence been there without them having to mess with EVERYTHING the way it looks like they did?

Agree completely!! Im not sure of his guilt or innocence but it seems as though the investigation wasnt done properly which makes me question whether they were hiding things or planting them. You guys/gals on here are like super sleuths and I love reading over these forums and getting new info I previously didnt know [emoji4]
 

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Yeah I don't know. Was swabbed for DNA but never tested why? It had her name on it, so I wonder if this was a work Compact Flash Card she would overnight to them after her shoots to get them in the magazine on time? Why would the case be in the front and the disk in the back. such an odd place for a lone disk to be lying don't you think? Could someone have deleted what was on it before pulling it from the camera? could the deleted information be pulled from it? Just one of those odd pieces of evidence.

If it wasn't worth mentioning, maybe that is why that journal was never mentioned again either.

I was thinking she was thrown back there with her purse and the disk and the pen fell out of her purse. What do you think?
 

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If the RAV4 was moved to the pit area on 10/31, why didn't Allan, Chuck, or Earl notice it all week as they were out in the yard and possibly near the crusher ? Or maybe they did ...

As I understand it, Chuck didn't leave for Crivitz until Thursday after work and Allan normally went up on Thursday as well. Not sure about Earl ...

It is entirely possible that the call from SA to Chuck on 10/31 around 6pm was to solicit Chuck's help in the coverup and Earl also knew what had transpired. Usually blood is thicker than water ...
 

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My thinking on their not noticing the Rav4:

Why would they notice that one vehicle among so many others on the property? Were they watching TV to be aware of TH missing? They might have not been thinking TH or her stuff could be on the property, so why look for it. These guys aren't "crime sleuthers" looking for evidence, they're doing their own thing.

Or, maybe they did notice it and either didn't care -or- didn't connect it to TH's disappearance at the time they might have seen it.
 

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One thing that has troubled me is how harsh the rules of evidence are for defendants. It just seems that the defense should have more leeway than they do in a courtroom. All these rules of evidence they have to follow. To me it just doesn't even fair. If the state has to prove a case the defendant should have great leeway into getting things admitted into evidence and testimony. When a defendant is luck to be able to afford a good lawyer it's tough enough. But when they are stuck with a crappy one or public dependent or one who doesn't even care it's even worse. I'm all for punishing the bad guys but it's scary to think how people can get convicted of something they didn't do without there even being any planting or anything. Hopefully Strang Buting and Zellner can help make more people realize this.


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This popped up on my fb timeline.

Making a Murderer: Ontario forensic scientist recalls testimony during Steven Avery trial

http://globalnews.ca/news/2500310/m.../?hootPostID=59d5fb0b2230a8a3a11094dc01297283

Fairgrieve, who has testified in court for the Crown in Canada, says the forensic anthropologist in the case made a “leap in logic” in concluding because a majority of Halbach’s remains were found in the fire pit that was the original burn site.
 

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My thinking on their not noticing the Rav4:

Why would they notice that one vehicle among so many others on the property? Were they watching TV to be aware of TH missing? They might have not been thinking TH or her stuff could be on the property, so why look for it. These guys aren't "crime sleuthers" looking for evidence, they're doing their own thing.

Or, maybe they did notice it and either didn't care -or- didn't connect it to TH's disappearance at the time they might have seen it.

Maybe they didn't, but wasn't the RAV4 the only vehicle in that row partially obscured by branches and a car hood ? Should've stuck out like a sore thumb to those who knew every car in the lot.
 

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I was thinking she was thrown back there with her purse and the disk and the pen fell out of her purse. What do you think?

Ok...still thinking of Mystic's original post....

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Yeah I don't know. Was swabbed for DNA but never tested why? It had her name on it, so I wonder if this was a work Compact Flash Card she would overnight to them after her shoots to get them in the magazine on time? Why would the case be in the front and the disk in the back. such an odd place for a lone disk to be lying don't you think? Could someone have deleted what was on it before pulling it from the camera? could the deleted information be pulled from it? Just one of those odd pieces of evidence.

If it wasn't worth mentioning, maybe that is why that journal was never mentioned again either.


I wonder if the pictures of the van are on the compact disk...and I wonder if they are time stamped??? We should know a time she was there by that--wouldn't you think??
 

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Just thinking this thought....Could TH have hit a ditch or something on her way there which caused the damage? Then, she gets to Avery's with the damage and he notices it and offers to help her find a new one in the lot. I can't remember--did the cadaver dog hit on other cars? Could that possible mean she was walking through that area? I wonder where in relation to the other "Toyota" vehicles on the lot the dog hit, since the cars were lumped together by make/model?

I'm going to go back to 2005 thread and see if I can find the pictures of those other vehicles....
 

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That Flash Card..... it is odd that nothing is mentioned about it, whether it was blank or not. Maybe it had wedding photo's, or vehicles... or nothing. The fact that there is nothing mentioned, is yet again.... odd LOL

As for noticing or not noticing the vehicle. This was their job, their life. They had a method in that yard... vehicles were in certain places for a reason, whether it was model or make or year, not sure how they did it, but I remember it being mentioned in an interview, maybe with Charles? I'm a mother... have been for almost 24 years.... I notice when things are out of place, or missing or something is added to a spot that it shouldn't be. It's my job LOL I can see how it could go unnoticed for a day or so... but Monday-Saturday?
 

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Just thinking this thought....Could TH have hit a ditch or something on her way there which caused the damage? Then, she gets to Avery's with the damage and he notices it and offers to help her find a new one in the lot. I can't remember--did the cadaver dog hit on other cars? Could that possible mean she was walking through that area? I wonder where in relation to the other "Toyota" vehicles on the lot the dog hit, since the cars were lumped together by make/model?

I'm going to go back to 2005 thread and see if I can find the pictures of those other vehicles....

The CADAVER dog... and her walking.... that dog is not good at it's job if that is the case, just sayin... LOL

The dog did hit on other vehicles.... but there is vehicles there that were in accidents.... some possibly fatal.
 

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Why is the assumption being made that the damage to TH's SUV was done that either that day or before she was killed?

It could have happened days or weeks before; not related to the murder. Alternatively the damage could have happened as the SUV was driven on the Avery lot to its resting place. Unless someone knows and informs the public, it will be one of those unknowns, just like there are unknowns in most cases.

Avery is certainly not going to tell us, TH can't, no one (can or will) believe BD. In the scheme of the case, it's not something that makes or breaks the case.

As for Earl noticing or not noticing the SUV on the property, why should he have? According to what and whose requirement? He either did notice it but he's saying he didn't, or he truly didn't notice it until it was found and seized and then he heard about it. Again, it's one of those unknowns that can't be proved either way.
 

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Why is the assumption being made that the damage to TH's SUV was done that either that day or before she was killed?

It could have happened days or weeks before; not related to the murder. Alternatively the damage could have happened as the SUV was driven on the Avery lot to its resting place. Unless someone knows and informs the public, it will be one of those unknowns, just like there are unknowns in most cases.

Avery is certainly not going to tell us, TH can't, no one (can or will) believe BD. In the scheme of the case, it's not something that makes or breaks the case.

As for Earl noticing or not noticing the SUV on the property, why should he have? According to what and whose requirement? He either did notice it but he's saying he didn't, or he truly didn't notice it until it was found and seized and then he heard about it. Again, it's one of those unknowns that can't be proved either way.

I assume if anyone knew that TH was in an accident prior to Oct 31 2005. someone would have known about it. Possibly a police report. The fact that there is no information on it, I can only assume is because it didn't fit with them convicting an innocent man and his innocent nephew. The point is the CONFLICT OF INTEREST never really looked into it did they. They were to busy making appearances to the public pretending to recuse themselves while they framed him.
 

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Right... it can't be proved either way, like a lot of things in this case. (is that reasonable doubt?) So we are discussing the possibilities.

As for the damage. We are discussing the possibilities. The first guy to see her that day said her vehicle looked "new", he didn't notice the damage. I don't think any family testified to the damage.

There are a ton of possibilities in regards to this damage to her vehicle. IF it happened after she was killed, it sure was nice of the person (SA or not) to pick up that light and put it in the back in case she needed it??? What? Odd they didn't pick up the wheel well and throw it in the back too.
 

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I assume if anyone knew that TH was in an accident prior to Oct 31 2005. someone would have known about it. Possibly a police report. The fact that there is no information on it, I can only assume is because it didn't fit with them convicting an innocent man and his innocent nephew. The point is the CONFLICT OF INTEREST never really looked into it did they. They were to busy making appearances to the public pretending to recuse themselves while they framed him.

That's the only scenario you assume -- one that somehow uses lack of knowledge about a busted light to mean it's connected to a conspiracy to convict an innocent man?

How do you know there is no information? There's no information we, the public, have found, but that doesn't mean no one knows what happened to TH's vehicle.
 
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