Netherlands - Dutch family living in basement 9 yrs, Ruinerwold, Drenthe Province, 15 October 2019
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@ZaZara - did you get a chance to transcribe the hearing? Just wondering if there is a next court date?
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Hi Niner, there is no new court dat yet. It still has to be determined if the father is able to stand trial, the court has decided in the pro forma session that it needs to be investigated if he can understand questions and if he will be alble to answer them in one way or another. The father is still in hospital, and unable to speak.
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Ruinerwold-klusjesman Josef B. ’zou het zo weer doen’
Josef B 'would do it again'
Josef B., the suspect in the Ruinerwald case, who is present in the court of Assen today, has spoken out about what happened at the farm. He denies all charges and shows himself full of incomprehension. However, the judge ruled that he remains behind bars. The court sees a danger of repetition.
Josef B. is the tenant of the farm who is considered to be a disciple and handyman of prime suspect Gerrit Jan van D., who himself is not present at the hearing. Also Van D. will remain detained for the next three months and will be investigated in the Pieter Baan Centre. His diaries will be added to the criminal file. The court has also determined that the children will be heard as witnesses. This will take place behind closed doors.
"I haven't deprived anyone of their freedom," he said during the pro forma hearing. "I was driven here in a van in the morning and then a guy on the radio said, "Today is the hearing of a family held in a cellar for ten years. None of it's true at all! There's no cellar and nobody's been detained at all."
The man from Austria finds that his right to freedom of religion is being violated in the Netherlands. "In the Netherlands, a war was fought about this right for for eighty years. I don't think it's possible what's happening now. If people want to believe in God, that's their decision, isn't it?"
He is of the opinion that the court cannot judge the faith he believes in at all. "I understand, in this world very few people really believe in God. It's the same if you ask me about microbiology. Then I can say: I don't know anything about it, I don't answer. I can also say: I'm going to make a study of it, and then I'll answer. Or I'll talk, but it's nonsense."
His conclusion is: "Has anyone here prayed? And if they haven't, how can they judge us? I've always prayed. The children have always prayed too. This is a witch hunt."
The examining magistrate decided on Tuesday that Gerrit Jan van D. will be sent to the Pieter Baan Centre for observation. There he will be examined by a neurologist and a neuro-psychologist. Observation by the PBC should provide more clarity about the possibilities to communicate with Gerrit Jan van D..
According to his lawyer Robert Snorn, communication with Gerrit Jan van D. seems possible. Snorn says that on closed questions he can nod yes and shake no, and that to a certain extent he can express something through gestures. The question is to what extent everything gets through to the man.
The Public Prosecution Service thinks it will be possible to draw up a definitive indictment in April. Then the observation of Gerrit Jan van D. in the PBC has not yet begun.
Gerrit Jan van D. is not present at the first pro forma hearing because he fears the crowds at the Assen court. Snorn announced this at the beginning of the hearing.
"Transportation is a problem," Snorn said. "And also the crowds at the court hearing. If it takes longer than twenty or thirty minutes, it will affect his concentration. He's not able to handle that adequately." Gerrit Jan van D. has been in the Scheveningen penitentiary hospital since he was removed from the farm.
In addition, his counsel emphasizes, this is a pro forma session in which his presence is not obligatory. It is not yet clear when the substantive hearing will take place.
Three of the children are represented by lawyer Jekel who is present in the courtroom. The children follow the case from another location.
The other suspect, the Austrian handyman Josef B. and tenant of the farm, is present. He is accused of deprivation of liberty and money laundering.
None of the children have formally filed report, but it is clear that offences were committed against the children. Facts that cross the line, and to which the public prosecutor had to respond, according to Public Prosecutor Roggen during the hearing.
According to the prosecutor, Gerrit Jan of D. and Josef B. knew full well that what they were doing was a punishable offence. "Gerrit Jan of D. was the evil genius, but Josef B. was his accomplice."
The children were brought to the farm by Josef in the middle of the night. In Meppel, where the ghost family lived previously, the chance of discovery was too great. The move was Josef B's idea. "Don't you understand?", he would have reacted during his interrogation to the question why he did it. "Those kids didn't have any documents." They had to come up with something.
During the abuse Gerrit Jan van D. always closed the door to the room where the other children stayed. In the diaries of Gerrit Jan van D. the abuse is also described as the spirit of their mother or another woman who fed into the children.
More than enough reasons, according to the prosecutor, to keep both men behind bars for longer. Moreover, the danger of repetition is not excluded, says the prosecutor. Josef B. stated that he would do it again. And even the youngest children still support their father's philosophy and views on life.
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Dozens of journalists from home and abroad are in Assen to find out what the state of the investigation is during the first public hearing in the Ruinerwold trial against the prime suspect Gerrit Jan van D.
During the long-awaited pro forma hearing, more clarity is expected about the medical condition of the father of the Drenthe 'ghost family', and what the possibilities are for the court to be able to communicate with him. More than three months after the raid on the farm, it has still not been possible to interrogate him.
The fear is that because of his medical condition - he suffered a cerebral hemorrhage three years ago and was never treated, so he now suffers from aphasia. In mid-October, police removed the father and five children from the farm where they had stayed unnoticed for nine years.
The Public Prosecutor's Office has looked into the - technological - possibilities of being able to hear the 67-year-old father, without the main suspect only being able to nod 'yes' or shake 'no'. Information will also be given as to whether Van D. is able to understand what he is suspected of.
According to his lawyer Robert Snorn, this is the case. The Public Prosecution Service does not want to indicate which experts will be called in, or even what expertise they have exactly.
In any case, Van D. - who is suspected of deprivation of liberty, assault, sexual abuse and money laundering - will not be present.
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Josef B 'would do it again'
Josef B., the suspect in the Ruinerwald case, who is present in the court of Assen today, has spoken out about what happened at the farm. He denies all charges and shows himself full of incomprehension. However, the judge ruled that he remains behind bars. The court sees a danger of repetition.
Josef B. is the tenant of the farm who is considered to be a disciple and handyman of prime suspect Gerrit Jan van D., who himself is not present at the hearing. Also Van D. will remain detained for the next three months and will be investigated in the Pieter Baan Centre. His diaries will be added to the criminal file. The court has also determined that the children will be heard as witnesses. This will take place behind closed doors.
"I haven't deprived anyone of their freedom," he said during the pro forma hearing. "I was driven here in a van in the morning and then a guy on the radio said, "Today is the hearing of a family held in a cellar for ten years. None of it's true at all! There's no cellar and nobody's been detained at all."
The man from Austria finds that his right to freedom of religion is being violated in the Netherlands. "In the Netherlands, a war was fought about this right for for eighty years. I don't think it's possible what's happening now. If people want to believe in God, that's their decision, isn't it?"
He is of the opinion that the court cannot judge the faith he believes in at all. "I understand, in this world very few people really believe in God. It's the same if you ask me about microbiology. Then I can say: I don't know anything about it, I don't answer. I can also say: I'm going to make a study of it, and then I'll answer. Or I'll talk, but it's nonsense."
His conclusion is: "Has anyone here prayed? And if they haven't, how can they judge us? I've always prayed. The children have always prayed too. This is a witch hunt."
The examining magistrate decided on Tuesday that Gerrit Jan van D. will be sent to the Pieter Baan Centre for observation. There he will be examined by a neurologist and a neuro-psychologist. Observation by the PBC should provide more clarity about the possibilities to communicate with Gerrit Jan van D..
According to his lawyer Robert Snorn, communication with Gerrit Jan van D. seems possible. Snorn says that on closed questions he can nod yes and shake no, and that to a certain extent he can express something through gestures. The question is to what extent everything gets through to the man.
The Public Prosecution Service thinks it will be possible to draw up a definitive indictment in April. Then the observation of Gerrit Jan van D. in the PBC has not yet begun.
Gerrit Jan van D. is not present at the first pro forma hearing because he fears the crowds at the Assen court. Snorn announced this at the beginning of the hearing.
"Transportation is a problem," Snorn said. "And also the crowds at the court hearing. If it takes longer than twenty or thirty minutes, it will affect his concentration. He's not able to handle that adequately." Gerrit Jan van D. has been in the Scheveningen penitentiary hospital since he was removed from the farm.
In addition, his counsel emphasizes, this is a pro forma session in which his presence is not obligatory. It is not yet clear when the substantive hearing will take place.
Three of the children are represented by lawyer Jekel who is present in the courtroom. The children follow the case from another location.
The other suspect, the Austrian handyman Josef B. and tenant of the farm, is present. He is accused of deprivation of liberty and money laundering.
None of the children have formally filed report, but it is clear that offences were committed against the children. Facts that cross the line, and to which the public prosecutor had to respond, according to Public Prosecutor Roggen during the hearing.
According to the prosecutor, Gerrit Jan of D. and Josef B. knew full well that what they were doing was a punishable offence. "Gerrit Jan of D. was the evil genius, but Josef B. was his accomplice."
The children were brought to the farm by Josef in the middle of the night. In Meppel, where the ghost family lived previously, the chance of discovery was too great. The move was Josef B's idea. "Don't you understand?", he would have reacted during his interrogation to the question why he did it. "Those kids didn't have any documents." They had to come up with something.
During the abuse Gerrit Jan van D. always closed the door to the room where the other children stayed. In the diaries of Gerrit Jan van D. the abuse is also described as the spirit of their mother or another woman who fed into the children.
More than enough reasons, according to the prosecutor, to keep both men behind bars for longer. Moreover, the danger of repetition is not excluded, says the prosecutor. Josef B. stated that he would do it again. And even the youngest children still support their father's philosophy and views on life.
====
Dozens of journalists from home and abroad are in Assen to find out what the state of the investigation is during the first public hearing in the Ruinerwold trial against the prime suspect Gerrit Jan van D.
During the long-awaited pro forma hearing, more clarity is expected about the medical condition of the father of the Drenthe 'ghost family', and what the possibilities are for the court to be able to communicate with him. More than three months after the raid on the farm, it has still not been possible to interrogate him.
The fear is that because of his medical condition - he suffered a cerebral hemorrhage three years ago and was never treated, so he now suffers from aphasia. In mid-October, police removed the father and five children from the farm where they had stayed unnoticed for nine years.
The Public Prosecutor's Office has looked into the - technological - possibilities of being able to hear the 67-year-old father, without the main suspect only being able to nod 'yes' or shake 'no'. Information will also be given as to whether Van D. is able to understand what he is suspected of.
According to his lawyer Robert Snorn, this is the case. The Public Prosecution Service does not want to indicate which experts will be called in, or even what expertise they have exactly.
In any case, Van D. - who is suspected of deprivation of liberty, assault, sexual abuse and money laundering - will not be present.
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Vader boerderijgezin Ruinerwold weigert neurologisch onderzoek
Gerrit Jan van D. refuses to participate in a neurological and neuropsychological examination. This became clear today during a second pro forma hearing in the notorious Ruinerwold-case.
The judge indicated that he 'regrets' this. According to lawyer Robert Snorn, his client was 'very explicit', but he doesn't know exactly why he refuses. "I can guess, but my client isn't very good at explaining his reasons." Van D. suffered a cerebral hemorrhage 3.5 years ago and hasn't been able to talk since.
Van D. will also be examined later this year at the Pieter Baan Centre. Snorn suspects that Van D. will not cooperate then either. It is not yet clear when Van D. and fellow suspect Josef B. will be referred to the Pieter Baan Centre. That should happen in May, but has been postponed because of the corona crisis. There is no new date yet.
The couple are suspected of, among other things, depriving the children of Van D of their freedom. The father of the family from Ruinerwold is also suspected of mistreatment and sexual abuse. In addition, they are alleged to have mistreated a 69-year-old Austrian ex-business partner. Initially, they were also suspected of money laundering, but according to the Public Prosecutor's Office, investigations show that the money transfers from Austria would be legal.
If it is up to the Public Prosecution Service, Gerrit Jan van D. and Josef B. will remain in custody for the time being. The Public Prosecutor is of the opinion that there are still 'serious objections' to the release of suspects. Yehudi Moszkowicz, B.'s lawyer, just asked for the pre-trial detention to be suspended. According to him there was no deprivation of liberty in the case of his client, because the children could decide for themselves whether or not to go outside.
During today's hearing, the state of the investigation will be discussed. The Public Prosecution Service indicated that it wanted to call in an expert to see what the consequences of the segregation had been for the children. All parties should be able to submit questions, according to the OM.
According to the Public Prosecution Service, the children will be heard by the examining magistrate at the beginning of June. Two witnesses must also be heard in Austria, but the Austrian Public Prosecution wants to know first whether they are suspects as well. As a result of the corona crisis, these consultations have come to a standstill and the witnesses have not yet been heard.
In the courtroom in Assen only the judges, the registrar and two public prosecutors were present. The lawyers of the suspects and journalists could follow the hearing via a Skype connection.
The case was soon interrupted, because there was confusion about whether Josef B was present or not. "He was under the assumption - and so was I - that he would be present via a video connection," says lawyer Moszkowicz. According to the judge B. had in fact 'renounced his presence'. The judge then decided to adjourn the hearing, so that a connection could be made with the Austrian in prison. More than an hour later the hearing was resumed, which, incidentally, was sometimes difficult to follow because of the various Skype connections.
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Gerrit Jan van D. refuses to participate in a neurological and neuropsychological examination. This became clear today during a second pro forma hearing in the notorious Ruinerwold-case.
The judge indicated that he 'regrets' this. According to lawyer Robert Snorn, his client was 'very explicit', but he doesn't know exactly why he refuses. "I can guess, but my client isn't very good at explaining his reasons." Van D. suffered a cerebral hemorrhage 3.5 years ago and hasn't been able to talk since.
Van D. will also be examined later this year at the Pieter Baan Centre. Snorn suspects that Van D. will not cooperate then either. It is not yet clear when Van D. and fellow suspect Josef B. will be referred to the Pieter Baan Centre. That should happen in May, but has been postponed because of the corona crisis. There is no new date yet.
The couple are suspected of, among other things, depriving the children of Van D of their freedom. The father of the family from Ruinerwold is also suspected of mistreatment and sexual abuse. In addition, they are alleged to have mistreated a 69-year-old Austrian ex-business partner. Initially, they were also suspected of money laundering, but according to the Public Prosecutor's Office, investigations show that the money transfers from Austria would be legal.
If it is up to the Public Prosecution Service, Gerrit Jan van D. and Josef B. will remain in custody for the time being. The Public Prosecutor is of the opinion that there are still 'serious objections' to the release of suspects. Yehudi Moszkowicz, B.'s lawyer, just asked for the pre-trial detention to be suspended. According to him there was no deprivation of liberty in the case of his client, because the children could decide for themselves whether or not to go outside.
During today's hearing, the state of the investigation will be discussed. The Public Prosecution Service indicated that it wanted to call in an expert to see what the consequences of the segregation had been for the children. All parties should be able to submit questions, according to the OM.
According to the Public Prosecution Service, the children will be heard by the examining magistrate at the beginning of June. Two witnesses must also be heard in Austria, but the Austrian Public Prosecution wants to know first whether they are suspects as well. As a result of the corona crisis, these consultations have come to a standstill and the witnesses have not yet been heard.
In the courtroom in Assen only the judges, the registrar and two public prosecutors were present. The lawyers of the suspects and journalists could follow the hearing via a Skype connection.
The case was soon interrupted, because there was confusion about whether Josef B was present or not. "He was under the assumption - and so was I - that he would be present via a video connection," says lawyer Moszkowicz. According to the judge B. had in fact 'renounced his presence'. The judge then decided to adjourn the hearing, so that a connection could be made with the Austrian in prison. More than an hour later the hearing was resumed, which, incidentally, was sometimes difficult to follow because of the various Skype connections.
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Monday, April 6th:
*Pro Forma Hearing for both (@ CET) – Netherlands – Dutch Family (Oct. 14, 2019, at Buitenhuizerweg in Ruinerwold, Drenthe Province) - *Josef B., 58, (Austrian) tenant of the property (& carpenter), was arrested on 10/17/19 & appeared in court (10/17/19). He is suspected of complicity in deprivation of liberty, mistreatment and money laundering. Money laundering charge has been dismissed (4/6/20).
10/17/19 Update: Josef B, appeared before an examining magistrate on Thursday (10/17/19) and was detained for 14 days (Oct. 31, 2019)on suspicion of unlawfully depriving the children of their liberty and money laundering (tens of thousands of euros in cash was found at the farm).
*Gerrit-Jan van Dorsten aka John Eagles, 67, (father) was arrested on Thursday (10/17/19) & appeared in court (10/21/19). He is suspected of complicity in unlawful deprivation of liberty, ill-treatment in the sense of damaging the health of others & money laundering. Money laundering charges has been dismissed (4/6/20)
Court & info on crime from 10/17/19 to 10/17/19 reference post #80 here:
Netherlands - Dutch family living in basement 9 yrs, Ruinerwold, Drenthe Province, 15 October 2019
10/31/19 Update: Both will remain in prison for the next ninety days – set for 1/21/20. The court in Assen has decided on this. The Public Prosecution wants to determine whether the group is indeed related on the basis of a DNA test. Van D. will not appear there, because he has still not been questioned. He is unable to talk because of a cerebral hemorrhage, and may never be able to do so again.
1/21/20 Update: Josef B., the suspect in the Ruinerwald case, who is present in the court of Assen today, has spoken out about what happened at the farm. He denies all charges. However, the judge ruled that he remains behind bars. The prime suspect Gerrit Jan van D is not present at the hearing. Also Van D. will remain detained for the next three months & will be investigated in the Pieter Baan Centre. His diaries will be added to the criminal file. The court has also determined that the children will be heard as witnesses. This will take place behind closed doors. The examining magistrate decided on Tuesday that van D. will be sent to the Pieter Baan Centre for observation. There he will be examined by a neurologist & a neuro-psychologist. Observation by the PBC should provide more clarity about the possibilities to communicate with van D. van D. has been in the Scheveningen penitentiary hospital since he was removed from the farm. The Public Prosecution Service thinks it will be possible to draw up a definitive indictment on April 6.
4/6/20 Update: Gerrit Jan van D. refused to participate in a neurological & neuropsychological examination. This became clear today during a second pro forma hearing in the notorious Ruinerwold case. Van D. will also be examined later this year at the Pieter Baan Centre. Defense attorney Robert Snorn suspects that Van D. will not cooperate then either. It is not yet clear when Van D. & fellow suspect Josef B. will be referred to the Pieter Baan Centre. That should happen in May, but has been postponed because of the corona crisis. There is no new date yet. Initially, they were also suspected of money laundering, but according to the Public Prosecutor's Office, investigations show that the money transfers from Austria was legal. If it is up to the Public Prosecution Service, Gerrit Jan van D. & Josef B. will remain in custody for the time being. According to the Public Prosecution Service, the children will be heard by the examining magistrate at the beginning of June. Two witnesses must also be heard in Austria, but the Austrian Public Prosecution wants to know first whether they are suspects as well. As a result of the corona crisis, these consultations have come to a standstill and the witnesses have not yet been heard. In the courtroom in Assen only the judges, the registrar & two public prosecutors were present. The lawyers of the suspects & journalists could follow the hearing via a Skype connection. Josef B. was also present via video from prison.
*Pro Forma Hearing for both (@ CET) – Netherlands – Dutch Family (Oct. 14, 2019, at Buitenhuizerweg in Ruinerwold, Drenthe Province) - *Josef B., 58, (Austrian) tenant of the property (& carpenter), was arrested on 10/17/19 & appeared in court (10/17/19). He is suspected of complicity in deprivation of liberty, mistreatment and money laundering. Money laundering charge has been dismissed (4/6/20).
10/17/19 Update: Josef B, appeared before an examining magistrate on Thursday (10/17/19) and was detained for 14 days (Oct. 31, 2019)on suspicion of unlawfully depriving the children of their liberty and money laundering (tens of thousands of euros in cash was found at the farm).
*Gerrit-Jan van Dorsten aka John Eagles, 67, (father) was arrested on Thursday (10/17/19) & appeared in court (10/21/19). He is suspected of complicity in unlawful deprivation of liberty, ill-treatment in the sense of damaging the health of others & money laundering. Money laundering charges has been dismissed (4/6/20)
Court & info on crime from 10/17/19 to 10/17/19 reference post #80 here:
Netherlands - Dutch family living in basement 9 yrs, Ruinerwold, Drenthe Province, 15 October 2019
10/31/19 Update: Both will remain in prison for the next ninety days – set for 1/21/20. The court in Assen has decided on this. The Public Prosecution wants to determine whether the group is indeed related on the basis of a DNA test. Van D. will not appear there, because he has still not been questioned. He is unable to talk because of a cerebral hemorrhage, and may never be able to do so again.
1/21/20 Update: Josef B., the suspect in the Ruinerwald case, who is present in the court of Assen today, has spoken out about what happened at the farm. He denies all charges. However, the judge ruled that he remains behind bars. The prime suspect Gerrit Jan van D is not present at the hearing. Also Van D. will remain detained for the next three months & will be investigated in the Pieter Baan Centre. His diaries will be added to the criminal file. The court has also determined that the children will be heard as witnesses. This will take place behind closed doors. The examining magistrate decided on Tuesday that van D. will be sent to the Pieter Baan Centre for observation. There he will be examined by a neurologist & a neuro-psychologist. Observation by the PBC should provide more clarity about the possibilities to communicate with van D. van D. has been in the Scheveningen penitentiary hospital since he was removed from the farm. The Public Prosecution Service thinks it will be possible to draw up a definitive indictment on April 6.
4/6/20 Update: Gerrit Jan van D. refused to participate in a neurological & neuropsychological examination. This became clear today during a second pro forma hearing in the notorious Ruinerwold case. Van D. will also be examined later this year at the Pieter Baan Centre. Defense attorney Robert Snorn suspects that Van D. will not cooperate then either. It is not yet clear when Van D. & fellow suspect Josef B. will be referred to the Pieter Baan Centre. That should happen in May, but has been postponed because of the corona crisis. There is no new date yet. Initially, they were also suspected of money laundering, but according to the Public Prosecutor's Office, investigations show that the money transfers from Austria was legal. If it is up to the Public Prosecution Service, Gerrit Jan van D. & Josef B. will remain in custody for the time being. According to the Public Prosecution Service, the children will be heard by the examining magistrate at the beginning of June. Two witnesses must also be heard in Austria, but the Austrian Public Prosecution wants to know first whether they are suspects as well. As a result of the corona crisis, these consultations have come to a standstill and the witnesses have not yet been heard. In the courtroom in Assen only the judges, the registrar & two public prosecutors were present. The lawyers of the suspects & journalists could follow the hearing via a Skype connection. Josef B. was also present via video from prison.
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Gerrit-Jan van D. (67) and Josef B. (59) will remain in custody for the time being. This was decided by the court.
Gerrit-Jan van D. (67) and Josef B. (59) will remain in custody for the time being. This was decided by the court.
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At first I thought it was a map of the Skype connections!
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This was supposed to happen in May - but was postponed due to COVID-19. There is supposed to be a hearing at the beginning of June for the children. So moving this to June.
*Pro Forma Hearing for both-POSTPONED! (@ CET) – Netherlands – Dutch Family (Oct. 14, 2019, at Buitenhuizerweg in Ruinerwold, Drenthe Province) - *Josef B., 58, (Austrian) tenant of the property (& carpenter), was arrested on 10/17/19 & appeared in court (10/17/19). He is suspected of complicity in deprivation of liberty, mistreatment and money laundering. Money laundering charge was dismissed (4/6/20).
10/17/19 Update: Josef B, appeared before an examining magistrate on Thursday (10/17/19) and was detained for 14 days (Oct. 31, 2019)on suspicion of unlawfully depriving the children of their liberty and money laundering (tens of thousands of euros in cash was found at the farm). 4/6/20 Update: See below for info.
*Gerrit-Jan van Dorsten aka John Eagles, 67, (father) was arrested on Thursday (10/17/19) & appeared in court (10/21/19). He is suspected of complicity in unlawful deprivation of liberty, ill-treatment in the sense of damaging the health of others & money laundering. Money laundering charge was dismissed (4/6/20).
Court info from 10/17/19 thru 1/21/20 reference post #86 here:
Netherlands - Dutch family living in basement 9 yrs, Ruinerwold, Drenthe Province, 15 October 2019
4/6/20 Update: Gerrit Jan van D. refused to participate in a neurological & neuropsychological examination. This became clear today during a second pro forma hearing in the notorious Ruinerwold-case. Van D. will also be examined later this year at the Pieter Baan Centre. Defense attorney Robert Snorn suspects that Van D. will not cooperate then either. It is not yet clear when Van D. & fellow suspect Josef B. will be referred to the Pieter Baan Centre. That should happen in May, but has been postponed because of the corona crisis. There is no new date yet. Initially, they were also suspected of money laundering, but according to the Public Prosecutor's Office, investigations show that the money transfers from Austria was legal. If it is up to the Public Prosecution Service, Gerrit Jan van D. & Josef B. will remain in custody for the time being. According to the Public Prosecution Service, the children will be heard by the examining magistrate at the beginning of June. Two witnesses must also be heard in Austria, but the Austrian Public Prosecution wants to know first whether they are suspects as well. As a result of the corona crisis, these consultations have come to a standstill and the witnesses have not yet been heard. In the courtroom in Assen only the judges, the registrar & two public prosecutors were present. The lawyers of the suspects & journalists could follow the hearing via a Skype connection. Josef B. was also present via video from prison. Both will remain in custody per the court.
*Pro Forma Hearing for both-POSTPONED! (@ CET) – Netherlands – Dutch Family (Oct. 14, 2019, at Buitenhuizerweg in Ruinerwold, Drenthe Province) - *Josef B., 58, (Austrian) tenant of the property (& carpenter), was arrested on 10/17/19 & appeared in court (10/17/19). He is suspected of complicity in deprivation of liberty, mistreatment and money laundering. Money laundering charge was dismissed (4/6/20).
10/17/19 Update: Josef B, appeared before an examining magistrate on Thursday (10/17/19) and was detained for 14 days (Oct. 31, 2019)on suspicion of unlawfully depriving the children of their liberty and money laundering (tens of thousands of euros in cash was found at the farm). 4/6/20 Update: See below for info.
*Gerrit-Jan van Dorsten aka John Eagles, 67, (father) was arrested on Thursday (10/17/19) & appeared in court (10/21/19). He is suspected of complicity in unlawful deprivation of liberty, ill-treatment in the sense of damaging the health of others & money laundering. Money laundering charge was dismissed (4/6/20).
Court info from 10/17/19 thru 1/21/20 reference post #86 here:
Netherlands - Dutch family living in basement 9 yrs, Ruinerwold, Drenthe Province, 15 October 2019
4/6/20 Update: Gerrit Jan van D. refused to participate in a neurological & neuropsychological examination. This became clear today during a second pro forma hearing in the notorious Ruinerwold-case. Van D. will also be examined later this year at the Pieter Baan Centre. Defense attorney Robert Snorn suspects that Van D. will not cooperate then either. It is not yet clear when Van D. & fellow suspect Josef B. will be referred to the Pieter Baan Centre. That should happen in May, but has been postponed because of the corona crisis. There is no new date yet. Initially, they were also suspected of money laundering, but according to the Public Prosecutor's Office, investigations show that the money transfers from Austria was legal. If it is up to the Public Prosecution Service, Gerrit Jan van D. & Josef B. will remain in custody for the time being. According to the Public Prosecution Service, the children will be heard by the examining magistrate at the beginning of June. Two witnesses must also be heard in Austria, but the Austrian Public Prosecution wants to know first whether they are suspects as well. As a result of the corona crisis, these consultations have come to a standstill and the witnesses have not yet been heard. In the courtroom in Assen only the judges, the registrar & two public prosecutors were present. The lawyers of the suspects & journalists could follow the hearing via a Skype connection. Josef B. was also present via video from prison. Both will remain in custody per the court.
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Thursday, July 2nd:
*Hearing for children (@ CET) – Netherlands – Dutch Family (Oct. 14, 2019, at Buitenhuizerweg in Ruinerwold, Drenthe Province) - *Josef B., 58, (Austrian) tenant of the property (& carpenter), was arrested on 10/17/19 & appeared in court (10/17/19). He is suspected of complicity in deprivation of liberty, mistreatment and money laundering. Money laundering charge was dismissed (4/6/20).
10/17/19 Update: Josef B, appeared before an examining magistrate on Thursday (10/17/19) and was detained for 14 days (Oct. 31, 2019)on suspicion of unlawfully depriving the children of their liberty and money laundering (tens of thousands of euros in cash was found at the farm).
*Gerrit-Jan van Dorsten aka John Eagles, 67, (father) was arrested on Thursday (10/17/19) & appeared in court (10/21/19). He is suspected of complicity in unlawful deprivation of liberty, ill-treatment in the sense of damaging the health of others & money laundering. Money laundering charge was dismissed (4/6/20).
Court info from 10/17/19 thru 1/21/20 reference post #86 here:
Netherlands - Dutch family living in basement 9 yrs, Ruinerwold, Drenthe Province, 15 October 2019
4/6/20 Update: Gerrit Jan van D. refused to participate in a neurological & neuropsychological examination. This became clear today during a second pro forma hearing in the notorious Ruinerwold-case. Van D. will also be examined later this year at the Pieter Baan Centre. Defense attorney Robert Snorn suspects that Van D. will not cooperate then either. It is not yet clear when Van D. & fellow suspect Josef B. will be referred to the Pieter Baan Centre. That should happen in May, but has been postponed because of the corona crisis. There is no new date yet. Initially, they were also suspected of money laundering, but according to the Public Prosecutor's Office, investigations show that the money transfers from Austria was legal. If it is up to the Public Prosecution Service, Gerrit Jan van D. & Josef B. will remain in custody for the time being. According to the Public Prosecution Service, the children will be heard by the examining magistrate at the beginning of June. Two witnesses must also be heard in Austria, but the Austrian Public Prosecution wants to know first whether they are suspects as well. As a result of the corona crisis, these consultations have come to a standstill and the witnesses have not yet been heard. In the courtroom in Assen only the judges, the registrar & two public prosecutors were present. The lawyers of the suspects & journalists could follow the hearing via a Skype connection. Josef B. was also present via video from prison. Both will remain in custody per the court.
5/31/20 Update: Hearing moved to July 2, 2020.
*Hearing for children (@ CET) – Netherlands – Dutch Family (Oct. 14, 2019, at Buitenhuizerweg in Ruinerwold, Drenthe Province) - *Josef B., 58, (Austrian) tenant of the property (& carpenter), was arrested on 10/17/19 & appeared in court (10/17/19). He is suspected of complicity in deprivation of liberty, mistreatment and money laundering. Money laundering charge was dismissed (4/6/20).
10/17/19 Update: Josef B, appeared before an examining magistrate on Thursday (10/17/19) and was detained for 14 days (Oct. 31, 2019)on suspicion of unlawfully depriving the children of their liberty and money laundering (tens of thousands of euros in cash was found at the farm).
*Gerrit-Jan van Dorsten aka John Eagles, 67, (father) was arrested on Thursday (10/17/19) & appeared in court (10/21/19). He is suspected of complicity in unlawful deprivation of liberty, ill-treatment in the sense of damaging the health of others & money laundering. Money laundering charge was dismissed (4/6/20).
Court info from 10/17/19 thru 1/21/20 reference post #86 here:
Netherlands - Dutch family living in basement 9 yrs, Ruinerwold, Drenthe Province, 15 October 2019
4/6/20 Update: Gerrit Jan van D. refused to participate in a neurological & neuropsychological examination. This became clear today during a second pro forma hearing in the notorious Ruinerwold-case. Van D. will also be examined later this year at the Pieter Baan Centre. Defense attorney Robert Snorn suspects that Van D. will not cooperate then either. It is not yet clear when Van D. & fellow suspect Josef B. will be referred to the Pieter Baan Centre. That should happen in May, but has been postponed because of the corona crisis. There is no new date yet. Initially, they were also suspected of money laundering, but according to the Public Prosecutor's Office, investigations show that the money transfers from Austria was legal. If it is up to the Public Prosecution Service, Gerrit Jan van D. & Josef B. will remain in custody for the time being. According to the Public Prosecution Service, the children will be heard by the examining magistrate at the beginning of June. Two witnesses must also be heard in Austria, but the Austrian Public Prosecution wants to know first whether they are suspects as well. As a result of the corona crisis, these consultations have come to a standstill and the witnesses have not yet been heard. In the courtroom in Assen only the judges, the registrar & two public prosecutors were present. The lawyers of the suspects & journalists could follow the hearing via a Skype connection. Josef B. was also present via video from prison. Both will remain in custody per the court.
5/31/20 Update: Hearing moved to July 2, 2020.
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This afternoon the 3rd proforma session of the #Ruinerwold-case will take place in Assen. According to both Public Prosecutor and lawyer, prime suspect Gerrit Jan van D. should already have been in the Pieterbaan center. It is still unclear why it did not happen, possibly his state of health is too bad.
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This afternoon the 3rd proforma session of the #Ruinerwold-case will take place in Assen. According to both Public Prosecutor and lawyer, prime suspect Gerrit Jan van D. should already have been in the Pieterbaan center. It is still unclear why it did not happen, possibly his state of health is too bad.
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https://www.dvhn.nl/drenthe/Kinderen-boerderij-Ruinerwold-We-konden-shoppen-in-Amsterdam-als-we-wilden-25814290.html?harvest_referrer=https://www.google.com/
Children of Ruinerwold farm: 'We could go shopping in Amsterdam if we wanted.'
Six children who would have been detained against their will by their father Gerrit Jan van D. and fellow suspect Josef B. strongly deny this. According to B.'s lawyer they could freely go wherever they wanted.
This became apparent Thursday afternoon during a pro forma hearing in the court of Assen. According to the lawyer Yehudi Moskowicz, who assists 59 year old Austrian Josef B., new witness interrogations with the children show that they could go wherever they wanted.
"I've literally asked: If you'd wanted to go shopping in Amsterdam, is that possible? Yeah. Would somebody put the slightest obstacle in your way? No. That was said unanimously by all the children. "No one would be punished if one of the children left."
Counsel states that the farm children stated that they were higher in hierarchy than B. He would have no authority. "Father Van D. was the prime father. We the prime children and B. was a disciple or a follower," the children have said according to the attorney at testimony before the examining magistrate.
B. is suspected, along with 67-year-old Gerrit Jan van D., of having held the six Van D. children against their will at the Ruinerwold farm. Van D. is also suspected of maltreating his children and sexually abusing two of his older children. They did not live on the farm. In total he has nine children. Both men were arrested on 14 October 2019 and have been detained ever since.
Moskowicz states on Thursday that everyone was voluntarily staying at the farm. According to him there was no illegal deprivation of liberty or hostage-taking at all. In the media there has been talk of a 'horror family' living in harsh conditions underground. They did not live in basements at all. That they were waiting for the end of time? None of that."
The counsel therefore asked the court in Assen to release his client, who is still staying at the Pieter Baan Centre against his will. The Public Prosecutor opposes this. The public prosecutor said that the children testified no differently at the examining magistrate than at the police. Four older children, including 'Jan' who fled the farm, did make incriminating statements about B. and their father, according to the public prosecutor. "The moment your children are deprived of freedom for such a long time, it's not appropriate to await your trial in freedom."
Josef B. was also present in court and wanted to speak his mind towards the end of the hearing. B., by now with a wild white beard and somewhat longer greyish wavy hair, indicated that the media had caused 'unimaginable suffering'. "I went to the farm in October because I received a phone call that the police were at the door. Who then brought into the world that rotten story that a family spent nine years in a basement?"
The Austrian drew a comparison with the corona crisis in which everyone was asked to isolate themselves. "And that is allowed. Apparently, our ideas are not allowed. If this is how things are in Holland, I choose to fast until I'm dead. Then I don't have to live anymore. What's happening here now, they'll be talking about in a thousand years' time," he said to the judges. "I know that."
According to him, parallels were drawn by various media companies with the cases of Marc Dutroux and Josef Fritzl. According to him, there is no such thing. "Nine years in a basement? It was only temporary. Gerrit Jan van D. was working on a bigger story."
B. says he hasn't seen or spoken to fellow suspect Gerrit Jan van D. since his cerebral hemorrhage. He hadn't seen the five youngest children for ten years. In the OM's final report, I saw photographs of the five youngest children. If I had seen them on the street, I wouldn't have recognized them."
The 59-year-old suspect has been in the PBC in Almere for three weeks. There he has - according to his own words - only spoken four words: yes, no, good morning and good afternoon. "Accidentally," B. stated. He openly doubted his hospitalization in the PBC. "I'm here on the basis of a three-minute conversation with a psychiatrist."
His admission turned out to be a tricky point. For his fellow suspect Van D. would be placed there as well, but that will not happen at all because his medical condition doesn't allow it. "This was an unplesant surprise for us," Van D.'s attorney Robert Snorn said. "His physical and medical condition had long been known in January. And now the PBC suddenly says it's not possible."
The president of the court could not hide his surprise either. Van D. is in a wheelchair because of his cerebral hemorrhage, is paralyzed half-sided and cannot talk. He can answer slightly closed [ yes or no ] questions, lawyerSnorn indicated. The lawyer sincerely wonders whether his client could handle a three-day substantive hearing.
The judges indicated that they would like to take some more time to consider a few points. One of them was whether Josef B. would be free to await the substantive hearing. The court will decide on Friday.
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Children of Ruinerwold farm: 'We could go shopping in Amsterdam if we wanted.'
Six children who would have been detained against their will by their father Gerrit Jan van D. and fellow suspect Josef B. strongly deny this. According to B.'s lawyer they could freely go wherever they wanted.
This became apparent Thursday afternoon during a pro forma hearing in the court of Assen. According to the lawyer Yehudi Moskowicz, who assists 59 year old Austrian Josef B., new witness interrogations with the children show that they could go wherever they wanted.
"I've literally asked: If you'd wanted to go shopping in Amsterdam, is that possible? Yeah. Would somebody put the slightest obstacle in your way? No. That was said unanimously by all the children. "No one would be punished if one of the children left."
Counsel states that the farm children stated that they were higher in hierarchy than B. He would have no authority. "Father Van D. was the prime father. We the prime children and B. was a disciple or a follower," the children have said according to the attorney at testimony before the examining magistrate.
B. is suspected, along with 67-year-old Gerrit Jan van D., of having held the six Van D. children against their will at the Ruinerwold farm. Van D. is also suspected of maltreating his children and sexually abusing two of his older children. They did not live on the farm. In total he has nine children. Both men were arrested on 14 October 2019 and have been detained ever since.
Moskowicz states on Thursday that everyone was voluntarily staying at the farm. According to him there was no illegal deprivation of liberty or hostage-taking at all. In the media there has been talk of a 'horror family' living in harsh conditions underground. They did not live in basements at all. That they were waiting for the end of time? None of that."
The counsel therefore asked the court in Assen to release his client, who is still staying at the Pieter Baan Centre against his will. The Public Prosecutor opposes this. The public prosecutor said that the children testified no differently at the examining magistrate than at the police. Four older children, including 'Jan' who fled the farm, did make incriminating statements about B. and their father, according to the public prosecutor. "The moment your children are deprived of freedom for such a long time, it's not appropriate to await your trial in freedom."
Josef B. was also present in court and wanted to speak his mind towards the end of the hearing. B., by now with a wild white beard and somewhat longer greyish wavy hair, indicated that the media had caused 'unimaginable suffering'. "I went to the farm in October because I received a phone call that the police were at the door. Who then brought into the world that rotten story that a family spent nine years in a basement?"
The Austrian drew a comparison with the corona crisis in which everyone was asked to isolate themselves. "And that is allowed. Apparently, our ideas are not allowed. If this is how things are in Holland, I choose to fast until I'm dead. Then I don't have to live anymore. What's happening here now, they'll be talking about in a thousand years' time," he said to the judges. "I know that."
According to him, parallels were drawn by various media companies with the cases of Marc Dutroux and Josef Fritzl. According to him, there is no such thing. "Nine years in a basement? It was only temporary. Gerrit Jan van D. was working on a bigger story."
B. says he hasn't seen or spoken to fellow suspect Gerrit Jan van D. since his cerebral hemorrhage. He hadn't seen the five youngest children for ten years. In the OM's final report, I saw photographs of the five youngest children. If I had seen them on the street, I wouldn't have recognized them."
The 59-year-old suspect has been in the PBC in Almere for three weeks. There he has - according to his own words - only spoken four words: yes, no, good morning and good afternoon. "Accidentally," B. stated. He openly doubted his hospitalization in the PBC. "I'm here on the basis of a three-minute conversation with a psychiatrist."
His admission turned out to be a tricky point. For his fellow suspect Van D. would be placed there as well, but that will not happen at all because his medical condition doesn't allow it. "This was an unplesant surprise for us," Van D.'s attorney Robert Snorn said. "His physical and medical condition had long been known in January. And now the PBC suddenly says it's not possible."
The president of the court could not hide his surprise either. Van D. is in a wheelchair because of his cerebral hemorrhage, is paralyzed half-sided and cannot talk. He can answer slightly closed [ yes or no ] questions, lawyerSnorn indicated. The lawyer sincerely wonders whether his client could handle a three-day substantive hearing.
The judges indicated that they would like to take some more time to consider a few points. One of them was whether Josef B. would be free to await the substantive hearing. The court will decide on Friday.
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Verdachte Josef B. in Ruinerwold-zaak niet vrijgelaten
Josef B., one of the two suspects in the Ruinerwold case, will remain in custody for the coming three months. The court finds the case too serious to release the 59-year-old Austrian now.
The next interim hearing is scheduled for 17 September. The court hopes to hear the substance of the case at the end of this year, beginning of next year.
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Josef B., one of the two suspects in the Ruinerwold case, will remain in custody for the coming three months. The court finds the case too serious to release the 59-year-old Austrian now.
The next interim hearing is scheduled for 17 September. The court hopes to hear the substance of the case at the end of this year, beginning of next year.
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