NEW Poll on Where Caylee Died.

Discussion in 'Caylee Anthony 2 years old' started by Rumpole, Jan 27, 2009.

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Where do you think Caylee Died?

Poll closed Apr 17, 2009.
  1. In the Anthony Home.

    51.7%
  2. In or Near the Pool.

    6.3%
  3. In the Backyard Play Area (Playhouse/Sandbox).

    1.7%
  4. In KC's Car Interior (eg Car Seat).

    9.5%
  5. In KC's Car Trunk.

    24.2%
  6. Lee's House.

    1.5%
  7. Tony's Appartment.

    0.3%
  8. None of the Above, Somewhere else.

    4.9%
  1. Seebra

    Seebra New Member

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    Wish I could have voted twice.

    I voted in KC's car (not the trunk) but I also think the home is a strong possibility.

    Poor baby angel.
     


  2. Seebra

    Seebra New Member

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    Abso-friggin-lute genius.

    I believe this 100% to be how it played out as well.
     
  3. Rumpole

    Rumpole Formerly known as "Hercule Poirot"

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    I agree that we agree broadly, but not on all details.

    I think the death was well into the 17th, and not just late on 16th.

    I do not think she left the body in the backyard. She may have taken it there while she contemplated what to do, but I think she then put the body back in the trunk, rather than risk leaving it.
    The amount of decomposition (Aprox 3 days) suggests she did not dump the body earlier than the 19th, but the 19th does not fit with phone records and the fact that KC was driving Tony's jeep that day.
    I think that all means KC dumped the body on 20th, or at least rebagged it on that day well enough to stop any more decomposation fluid leakage.
    KC may well have dumped the body on 20th, but I could accept she kept it (Non leaking) untill the 24th when she had the gas can incident with GA.
     
  4. MDdetective

    MDdetective New Member

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    Hercule Poirot, first let me say I love your witty posts...too many favorites to recall them all. :blowkiss: However, I disagree with this one. Where would Caylee have been during KC and Tony's trip to Blockbuster ??? Wasn't it only early evening when they went to pick up movies ??? :waitasec:
     
  5. Rumpole

    Rumpole Formerly known as "Hercule Poirot"

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    Disagreement is fine with me!

    I bumped a couple of threads to try and inspire some discussion so thanks!

    A complete theory is a bit long winded to repeat. (Readers would turn off and rush back to the Octomom thread.)
    Basically I am working backwards (sorry could be CA influence) from either 20th or 19th being most likely days to dump or rebag the body. The 19th is less likely, so I favour the 20th. Three days back from then puts death on 17th, probably the morning. I think (VERY SADLY) that Caylee was in the trunk when she died. Casey did not look stressed at video shop so I am picking that Caylee was already in the trunk. Probably drugged, gagged and bound with tape. I think KC got wrapped up in her night with Tony. She may, or may not, have checked Caylee during the night, but left her there and found her dead the next day.
     
  6. christee

    christee Yup, I'm listening

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    I originally voted Caylee died in the home but not so sure now.
    If Caylee was in the car trunk all night wouldn't AL have asked about her the next morning? Surely he had to know Caylee was with KC? If he didn't know, wouldn't that mean that Caylee had to be drugged (or whatever) before the vid store, abt 8-9pm on the 16th?

    This helped me:
    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/calendar.php?month=6&year=2008&c=4&do=displaymonth

    P.S. had enough of the Octumom!
     
  7. MDdetective

    MDdetective New Member

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    I respectfully disagree :) I believe poor Caylee was indeed in the trunk when KC met up with Tony that afternoon, but she was already killed. I still am wavering between two theories. One of rage in the wee hours of the morning of 16th...due to fight with CA and want to be outta there and free or by accidental poisoning on the afternoon of the 16th. What if ...KC is too busy on the computer to watch and Caylee found pills in Mutha of the Years' handbag and swallowed them...KC panicked when noone answered (flurry of calls to CA and GA) wrapped her up and put her in the trunk like laundry...
    I find KC deplorable but I just can't wrap my head around her putting a living child in her trunk even if, like you say "drugged" :(
     
  8. Rumpole

    Rumpole Formerly known as "Hercule Poirot"

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    I am assuming that on the afternoon of 16th, the burst of phone calls was to try and jack-up a babysitter, but all failed so an angry KC taped, and possibly drugged, Caylee and put her in the trunk before heading to Tony's. She forgot/did not care/was a bit doped up herself, and just left Caylee there until she died of dehydration and/or asphyxiation. Tony never knew she was there. KC found dead Caylee and made first trip back to Anthony's and backed in to garage to mess with/bag, the body.
     
  9. christee

    christee Yup, I'm listening

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    As hard as it is to think about HP, your timeline makes the most sense to me.

    But!...

    I just can't wrap my brain around the tape being put across her face with the child conscious and awake and breathing. IF Caylee were drugged or unconscious, maybe.
     
  10. Maya Love

    Maya Love I've been warped by the rain, driven by the snow

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    This seems right on- she told GA she wouldn't be back. I don't know in my mind if I can accept GA coming up w/ an alibi so quickly b/c I don't think KC ever told them or they knew she needed one for the 16th.

    I know I've seen it tossed around about TonE saying Caylee couldn't stay there, but how do we know this? From a doc dump? I haven't seen it, just would love to know how we know this.
     
  11. Rumpole

    Rumpole Formerly known as "Hercule Poirot"

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    I am not ruling out use of drugs, as in cold meds etc. Possibly KC had used them on Caylee before, but I am ruling out that dratted C-l-o-r-o-f-o-r-m. I do not think we have any evidence it was involved.
     
  12. daisy.faithfull

    daisy.faithfull RIP Joey, Summer, Gianni & Joey Jr.

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    I thought that LE found evidence that chloroform was used on Caylee, wasn't the odor in the car? I guess the has been speculation that it was used to cover the oder, but how would she have thought to do that. Is that something that chloroform is even used for?

    Anyway, I think that it was done in the home. Maybe because its where she felt the most comfortable and/or to spite Cindy. I don't understand why she kept Caylee after she had died though.
     
  13. Rumpole

    Rumpole Formerly known as "Hercule Poirot"

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    You ask "wasn't the odour of chloroform in the car?"

    NO it wasn't!

    Where did that come from?

    No real person anywhere in this case has made any comment about the odour of chloroform.

    I doubt if very many, even amongst WS'ers have ever smelled chloroform in their lives.

    NG has spoken of the car "Saturated" But she is just silly and purely for entertainment.
     
  14. Bluebelle

    Bluebelle Registered User

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    Hi HP - early on I thought I read that test results showed very high levels of chloroform in the air of the trunk... and then a doctor (Kobilinsky?) said the decomp odor would over-power everything else, so no one would have been able to smell the chloroform with the decomp present. I'm not sure if I am remembering this correctly, but isn’t this what made the connection between Casey's internet chloroform searches & her trunk thus the supposition that Caylee was chloroformed? I wish they’d hurry up and start the trial so we could find all this out, lol. :)
     
  15. Rumpole

    Rumpole Formerly known as "Hercule Poirot"

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    Unfortunately the KC "searches" for chloroform brought the word to the fore.
    "Raised levels" (parts per million) were found in analysis, but that is not the same as anybody detecting "an odour" .
    There is absolutely no evidence that KC ever bought, made, stole, or even ever saw chloroform at a distance. Nobody in the case anywhere has reported ever seeing chloroform anywhere. It just is not part of the case at all at this time. If some evidence is found with the remains, then we can consider it important. But equally so, if we find there was a piece of Martian toenail with the remains, we will go back and reconsider my earlier "Alien Abduction" theory.
     
  16. attg32257

    attg32257 New Member

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    I never even thought about that! I think that she died in the house. I think that chloroform was a part of it. If that is true, I don't think the pool had anything to do with it.
     
  17. Rumpole

    Rumpole Formerly known as "Hercule Poirot"

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    Please site the reference to where you read this description.

    During the video interview with Greta, GA describes KC and Caylee leaving and talking to them both and there being "hugs and kisses"
    I do not know whether GA is telling the truth, but he says Caylee was alive, awake, and on her own two feet.
     
  18. Lanie

    Lanie Active Member

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    It is not any more unlikely chloroform is part of the case than Caylee died in the trunk. No one has ever seen Caylee in the trunk, being put in the trunk, or taken out of the trunk. No one has come forward with info they heard any strange noises from the trunk. I haven't stumbled upon any times Caylee is unaccounted for previous to June 16th where she could have been stashed in the trunk.
    Just because chloroform was found in the trunk of the car does not mean Caylee was killed with it.
    Just because decomp was found in the trunk of the car does not mean Caylee died in there.
    Lanie
     
  19. Kathy1964

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    I have always thought that the chloroform found in the air from the trunk of the car was most likely from a combination of cleaning or air-freshening products used by Cindy while trying to get rid of the smell in the trunk.
    Do we have a statement anywhere saying she actually did clean the trunk, or only that she cleaned some of the items she removed from the car?
     
  20. Rumpole

    Rumpole Formerly known as "Hercule Poirot"

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    I see a wealth of evidence proving at least a dead Caylee was in the trunk. Stain, smell testimony from scores of people, hairs.
    I see NO EVIDENCE of any chloroform other than traces easily explained as a normal part of decomposition, or possibly one of a multitude of cleaning residues.
     

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