Vicktor: If John and Lou Smit were able to get through the window an intruder could have also. He wore winter gloves and might have had to close the basement door after coming up. Other than than that, he could roam around, locate bedrooms, maybe look in John's desk, and as long as he closed drawers there wouldn't be any evidence. He could take JB from her bed downstairs and fashion the garotte and not leave any evidence. He probably left his coat on when taking JB downstairs to avoid scratches. BTW, the Ramseys stated that they found drawers in a room near JB's open. Evidence that WAS found includes dark blue fibers on the body, brown fibers at the scene and animal hair on JB's hands. None of these was sourced.
Regarding the uniqueness of the case, IMO, its more likely that the best suspect, Gary Oliva, was able to pull off the crime as seen, than it is for 1 of the Ramseys to have done it and 1 or more covered it up, staying together and keeping that secret for 7+ years. Judge Carnes, who was given all the info we have and maybe more, wrote 93 pages that the intruder was more likely.
Gary Oliva: served time for assaulting a 7 year old girl, was evaluated as being a paranoid schizophrenic, was described by a friend as being weird and getting more sinister prior to the crime, called his friend out of state 3 days after the murder and broke down sobbing, saying he had hurt a child, was seen at the 1 year memorial of her death, said that JB revealed herself to him at death, had a stun gun when searched by the police 18 mo. after the crime. Motive: He fantasized about being a bad guy in crime movies and wanted to have some fun with a little girl and decided he could also taunt the parents by writing a phony note and doing a little staging after he finished with JB. Its generally agreed that the note and what happened after JB's death was staging. Why? Because he had a strong impulse to do it and enjoyed it, and had little to lose.
If the BPD had followed up on the tip his friend gave them and thoroughly checked out Oliva, we would probably be looking at 2 main suspects, the Ramseys and Oliva.
On the window sill and grate, I see your point but I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on that. I wonder if the light was unscrewed, or was actually switched off,A/O was on when the Ramseys got home at 9:00?
The ransom note: To the untrained eye, it looks possible that either Patsy or Oliva could have written it. It has a phony quality about it due to length ( as identified by the FBI) and the figure $118,000, which is symbolic of something else besides a ransom demand.
--------If Patsy wrote it, her point of view was an outsider broke in to kidnap JB, someone from Access. She would think that the BPD would come and find the body by 8:00, and she would be stuck with questions of why her handwriting is similar. Then she might think that she needed to remove the body and put it say, behind the church for the plan to have a chance. All the other staging doesn't help a lot with the body there.
------------If Oliva wrote it what you see is what you get. He pretends to be an arch-criminal who has kidnapped JB. He makes lots of references to crime movies, acts boastful and threatening, and controlling. He was very careful with spelling, word usage, puncuation. But he overstepped his ability, IMO, in that 3 sentences don't make good sense. Patsy would tend not to make this mistake, either intentionally or naturally. IMO, the content of the note and the crime point to someone with major personality problems.
If John and Lou Smit were able to get through the window an intruder could have also.
Ned: Sure He could have but most likely there would have been evidence that he DID. Where Lou went wrong in showing his experiment to the world was that after crawling through that window, he should have had the window sill REMOVED to see if he had left and trace evidence behind. Just like the real one had been after the commission of this crime. There wasnt ANYTHING left there besides a smudged print on the window sill.
He wore winter gloves and might have had to close the basement door after coming up. Other than than that, he could roam around, locate bedrooms, maybe look in John's desk, and as long as he closed drawers there wouldn't be any evidence. He could take JB from her bed downstairs and fashion the garotte and not leave any evidence. He probably left his coat on when taking JB downstairs to avoid scratches.
Ned: Avoid scratche? But according to Lou she was stunned twice and most likey uncoinsious! There was NO evidence that JonBenet scratched anybody or anything.
BTW, the Ramseys stated that they found drawers in a room near JB's open. Evidence that WAS found includes dark blue fibers on the body, brown fibers at the scene and animal hair on JB's hands. None of these was sourced.
Ned: Come again? There was fiber evidence found inside the drawyer near JBs room? This is news to me. And it MATCHES fiber evidence found on JonBenet? If so this would be HUGE to me. You say this was never sourced. Where is this information coming from?
Regarding the uniqueness of the case, IMO, its more likely that the best suspect, Gary Oliva, was able to pull off the crime as seen, than it is for 1 of the Ramseys to have done it and 1 or more covered it up, staying together and keeping that secret for 7+ years. Judge Carnes, who was given all the info we have and maybe more, wrote 93 pages that the intruder was more likely.
Ned: Only information that Lin wanted her to see.
Gary Oliva: served time for assaulting a 7 year old girl, was evaluated as being a paranoid schizophrenic, was described by a friend as being weird and getting more sinister prior to the crime, called his friend out of state 3 days after the murder and broke down sobbing, saying he had hurt a child, was seen at the 1 year memorial of her death, said that JB revealed herself to him at death, had a stun gun when searched by the police 18 mo. after the crime.
Ned: Was the stun gun analyzed? Was his DNA tested?
Motive: He fantasized about being a bad guy in crime movies and wanted to have some fun with a little girl and decided he could also taunt the parents by writing a phony note and doing a little staging after he finished with JB. Its generally agreed that the note and what happened after JB's death was staging. Why? Because he had a strong impulse to do it and enjoyed it, and had little to lose.
Ned: Had little to lose? He had nothing to lose by NOT leaving the note, by leaving the note he left MORE evidence, why would he want to do that? What did the note accomplish?
If the BPD had followed up on the tip his friend gave them and thoroughly checked out Oliva, we would probably be looking at 2 main suspects, the Ramseys and Oliva.
Ned: Isnt this person in prison now? I remember this being an issue years ago and thought Oliva was in prison?
On the window sill and grate, I see your point but I'm afraid I have to disagree with you on that. I wonder if the light was unscrewed, or was actually switched off,A/O was on when the Ramseys got home at 9:00?
The ransom note: To the untrained eye, it looks possible that either Patsy or Oliva could have written it. It has a phony quality about it due to length ( as identified by the FBI) and the figure $118,000, which is symbolic of something else besides a ransom demand.
--------If Patsy wrote it, her point of view was an outsider broke in to kidnap JB, someone from Access. She would think that the BPD would come and find the body by 8:00, and she would be stuck with questions of why her handwriting is similar. Then she might think that she needed to remove the body and put it say, behind the church for the plan to have a chance. All the other staging doesn't help a lot with the body there.
Ned: Oh I think the body was meant to be found, most certainly, otherwise there was NO need to write the ransom note. I am a believer that the suitcase, which was normally kept under the stairs was used to place JonBenet in and that was the parents original plan. The marks to JonBenets face and back came from that case, I am sure of it. She was placed in their prior to the final garrote. I believe Patsy thought she had already killed her.
------------If Oliva wrote it what you see is what you get. He pretends to be an arch-criminal who has kidnapped JB. He makes lots of references to crime movies, acts boastful and threatening, and controlling. He was very careful with spelling, word usage, puncuation. But he overstepped his ability, IMO, in that 3 sentences don't make good sense. Patsy would tend not to make this mistake, either intentionally or naturally. IMO, the content of the note and the crime point to someone with major personality problems.
Ned: Sounds like Patsy to me.
