New Zealand - Christchurch Mosque shooting, dead & injured reported, 15 March 2019

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  1. cobalt sky

    cobalt sky Well-Known Member

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    We should probably ban all aircrafts, vehicles, cargo trucks, and any other vessel used to commit these attacks as well. Because everyone knows that it's the vessel that's the problem, not the actual person committing the attacks.
     
  2. RANCH

    RANCH Well-Known Member

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    Yes. Speculation is fine but it should be based on evidence that supports it. JMO
     
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    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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  4. otto

    otto On Time Out

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    The Debate:

    "When the prime minister announced plans to ban semiautomatic rifles following Friday’s mass shootings, it seemed to be the bold response that many New Zealanders wanted — until the country’s attorney general back-pedalled almost immediately and said that might not be the government’s final decision.
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    While Washington struggles to take action even as such shootings become more routine, New Zealand’s government is immediately diving into a detailed discussion of further legislative checks on guns.
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    Prime Minister Ardern seems to be listening, at least for now, to all sides in the debate. She also seems determined to do what the United States Congress has not, which is to act."​

    After Mosque Massacre, New Zealand Has Its Gun-Debate Moment
     
  5. glamourkitty1922

    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    Didn't Stockholm consider banning all vehicles from the inner city because of their terrorist attack? Calmer minds prevailed though. I remember wondering how they expected to transport store stock.
     
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  6. glamourkitty1922

    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    To be fair to everyone involved, you have to consider the fact that the gov't has more control over the people in New Zealand than in the US where there is a very powerful Bill of Rights.
     
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  7. cobalt sky

    cobalt sky Well-Known Member

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    Yes, because they desperately want to shut down specific social media outlets but those pesky laws keep getting in the way. So they're trying to make it happen under the guise of public demand.

    People really should be questioning why the first response to tragedies like these is to use them to further political agendas.
     
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  8. RANCH

    RANCH Well-Known Member

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    I think that in any situation an unarmed person is at a great disadvantage when confronted with an armed killer.

    If the victim is also armed it helps to even the playing field, giving them the opportunity to stop the threat and potentially save lives. JMO
     
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    cody22 Well-Known Member

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    I do believe our geographically cultural differences are beginning to show......moo
     
  10. otto

    otto On Time Out

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    That is my point: that societies define law according to what the people want. New Zealand law cannot be judged by law of any other country. They have the law that they want, and not the law that some other country wants.

    The NZ government is now in debate regarding gun law reform, especially in relation to sale of large magazines used for restricted semi-automatic weapons. The message is that at the end of the debate, the government will act. Change is coming, but no one yet knows what it will look like.
     
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    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    Has there been any mention about the other people arrested? I know one was released as being an innocent bystander, but what about the other two?
     
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    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    My point is that change almost always ends with less power to the people and more power to the gov't. Change is coming and we know it won't be a weaker gov't/stronger population.
     
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    Better management of violent weapons is not equivalent to fewer human rights.
     
  14. glamourkitty1922

    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    It is if there is no input from the people themselves. A free government doesn't control the people, but is controlled by the people.
     
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    Lone Gunman
     
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    Fortunately, NZ is not a dictatorship and there will be a healthy debate regarding how to move forward from this national tragedy.
     
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    Two other people were apprehended, Bush said, and police seized a firearm from them. The woman was released without charge, while the other man was charged with firearms offenses.

    One additional man was also arrested in the aftermath of the shooting, but police said they don't believe he was involved in the attack either. Bush said the man was helping get children to safety but that he armed himself, "which is not the right approach."

    Dozens killed in Christchurch mosque attack - CNN
     
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  18. angelainwi

    angelainwi Certified Trauma Counselor

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    He did not say he did not want to get married, he said it was too hard. Was the reason you did not want to get married was because it was too hard??
     
  19. Alisajo

    Alisajo Well-Known Member

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    Australia is not a Dictatorship, we did not debate our gun laws, we did what was right for our people.
     
  20. RANCH

    RANCH Well-Known Member

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    You could say that.

    Saying that it's too hard to get married does not mean someone is possibly an incel. JMO
     
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