New Zealand - Christchurch Mosque shooting, dead & injured reported, 15 March 2019

Discussion in 'Rampage Killings and Terrorist Attacks' started by north_west, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. mrjitty

    mrjitty Well-Known Member

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    We don't know what Jacinda has in mind.

    Many of these gun collections are very valuable.

    I suspect there will be grandfathering. You can't expect people to turn over 5 and 6 figure gun collections without compensation.
     
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  2. Judith Sleuth

    Judith Sleuth Well-Known Member

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    Here is a little more info. It reads to me like folks who aren’t interested in keeping their semi-auto rifles are mainly the ones who are voluntarily giving up those firearms. I’m guessing they’re still interested in keeping their other firearms. Makes some sense, I guess.

    After New Zealand attack, gun owners are voluntarily handing over their weapons

    Christchurch mosque attacks: Kiwis start voluntarily handing in semi-automatic weapons

    Edited to add this quote from one of the above story links.

    "Until today, I was one of the New Zealanders who owned a semiautomatic rifle," one gun owner, farmer John Hart, wrote on Twitter. "On the farm they are a useful tool in some circumstances, but my convenience doesn't outweigh the risk of misuse.”

    (It includes an image of the form he filled out, marking the weapon for destruction so it’s permanently removed from circulation.)
     
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  3. zencompass

    zencompass May today be the day. Justice for Abby and Libby.

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    Terrorist charges would allow him to talk about details in his manifesto as well to expand on all of his "reasons" for what he did.

    In additon, by acting as his own lawyer, he would have a "platform" to "speak" to certain individuals who agree with the hate and reasoning in the manifesto. It's horrifying to even think of.

    I certainly agree with Mr. Burns in that the result of a prolonged terrorist trial would cause tremendous additional grief to the loved ones who have lost family members.



    In the article in my post you refer to, here are the statements from Ross Burns:


    "He said people like Tarrant wanted a platform and so "if he's denied a platform, he's failed in his objective."

    "And there's less scope to use a platform to espouse his ideological reasons."

    "He said terrorism charges would likely prolong the trial."


    "But "to minimise the impact on victims, straight murder is easier to prove," Burns added."

    "You've got 50 people killed and probably ten times that number directly affected so it will be a long trial and will be unduly traumatic for everyone."

    First article I posted:
    Why mosque killer could end up never answering terror charges


    Another article:
    https://www.smh.com.au/world/oceania/using-terror-laws-against-nz-gunman-could-allow-him-to-grandstand-says-former-prosecutor-20190318-p5157u.html
     
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  4. BayouBelle_LA

    BayouBelle_LA Well-Known Member

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    VICTIMS OF THE NEW ZEALAND MOSQUE MASSACRES
    As of 2am AEDT Monday

    Mucad Ibrahim, 3

    Abdullahi Dirie, 4

    Sayyad Milne, 14

    Khaled Mustafa, 45, and son Hamza, 16

    Naeem Rashid and his son Talha, 21

    Tariq Omar, 24

    Ozair Kadir, 24

    Syed Areeb Ahmed, 26

    Ansi Alibava, 25

    Ramiz Vora, 28

    Farhaj Ahsan, 30

    Mojammel Hoq, 30

    Atta Elayyan, 33

    Hussein Al-Umari, 36

    Mohammed Omar Faruk, 36

    Junaid Ismail, 36

    Osama Adnan Abu Kwik, 37

    Zeehan Raza, 38

    Kamel Darwish, 39

    Dr Haroon Mahmood, 40

    Husne Ara Parvin, 42

    Syed Jahandad Ali, 43

    Mohammad Imran Kahn, 47

    Mathullah Safi, 55

    Amjad Hamid, 57

    Lilik Abdul Hamid, 58

    Arifbhai Mohamedali Vora, 58

    Ghulam Hussain, in his 60s

    Karam Bibi, in her 60s

    Musa Vali Suleman Patel, 60

    Abdelfattah Qasem, 60

    Ashraf Ali, 61

    Mohsin Al-Harbi, 63

    Linda Armstrong, 65

    Maheboob Khokhar, 65

    Muhammed Abdusi Samad, 66

    Ali Elmadani, 66

    Mounir Soliman, 68

    Ahmad Gamaluddin Abdel Ghani, 68

    Hussein Moustafa, 70

    Abdukadir Elmi, 70

    Haji-Daoud Nabi, 71

    Still Missing:

    Zakaria Bhuiyan


    Brenton Tarrant's mother is seen for the first time since Christchurch massacre | Daily Mail Online



     
  5. otto

    otto Verified Expert

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    I'm surprised that terrorists like Tarrant or today's tram shooter in Utrecht think their actions will impress anyone. They enter a closed space with violent weapons and shoot people who have no where to run. It's nothing more than shooting fish in a barrel. They're mama's boys who are terrified of a fair fight.
     
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  6. floridagrrl

    floridagrrl Be kind.

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    Last night I was reading old articles about Raleigh, NC. I graduated high school there xx years ago lol, but quickly moved away after. I loved that city so sometimes I like to just look at old pics of the city to reminisce. (Just giving some background on how I came across the forthcoming) I came across this article about one of the local malls there that I actually worked at as a teenager in the late 80s. They had a “sniper shooting” at this mall (what would now be entitled “mass shooting”) in 1972. I either do not remember ever hearing of this history or because at the time these things just didn’t happen on the regular that it wasn’t something my teenager brain imprinted to remember.


    Gunman in the parking lot with a semi-automatic rifle he had just purchased 2hours before, just starting shooting at random people in front of the mall entrance. He did shoot himself once he heard police sirens. But it was 6 minutes of hell and he did kill children.

    Within this piece the writers of the time where trying to find the “why”

    Why would someone do this??? (This was a local man that many people did know)


    So they asked local psychiatrists what their thoughts about this where. To me, this, from 1972 mind you, was great simplistic insight to me.


    “On the day of the shooting, the Raleigh Times asked several local psychiatrists for their opinions on "what would cause a person to methodically shoot [people] he doesn't know and then kill himself."

    One answered that someone with a "shaky emotional makeup" might find frustrations hard to handle. And those frustrations might be real obstacles, or something he felt entitled to, but wasn't getting. Another psychiatrist said "There's just something in a person with a shaky emotional background that sometimes reaches the critical point." He added, "What it is, we don't know."

    A third noted that a person's intellect was at the mercy of their emotions. "When a person enters into a murderous mood, he can very well arrange things, assign ingenuity to his psychotic mood," he said. "He can be very cunning, his intellect serves his ugly mood. He knows what he is doing but he isn't able to refrain from the behavior," the psychiatrist added. "He also knows the difference between right and wrong but he offers explanations to put himself outside what is right or wrong," he added.

    The third psychiatrist added that someone in a "murderous rage" is often "calm and methodical" in their behavior.


    He wanted to kill people and made “excuses” to do so to himself...like so many before him.

    ...and now they can shout these “excuses” to the world as the medium is there now for these madmen; right at their fingertips


    Like so many not before him


    (Link to the history article since I’m quoting North Hills Sniper Attack - Memorial Day, 1972
     
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  7. glamourkitty1922

    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    Think of the losers they're trying to impress. People just like them. Personally I find them cowardly and repulsive. Utrecht is another horror. Killing people on a train? The day after killing people worshipping? I don't think I want to look at the news or Websleuths tomorrow. It's just too much.
     
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  8. glamourkitty1922

    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    This is what happens in countries that are not very free. You're at the mercy of a judge who may be fair minded and might be hateful. Censorship is a very bad thing.
     
  9. glamourkitty1922

    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    I think the right to be informed and the right to make your own decisions is of upmost importance. I find government censorship to be repulsive and I feel sorry for people living under such censorship. But, that's just my opinion.
     
  10. glamourkitty1922

    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    If you subject social media to regulations, that includes Websleuths. We're in a social media group here. I wonder how it would work since there are hundreds of countries with different laws? Probably just people in certain countries cannot read and participate. I wonder how Facebook and Youtube would deal with it? Probably by just not offering their platform in certain countries.
     
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  11. opalonyx

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    Honestly it made me wish they caught onto the NZ terrorist's online postings sooner and put him in prison before this tragedy occured. Usually when people are attracted to this kind of content and find humor in it, its indicative of a dangerous person. Just IMO.
     
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  12. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    Isn’t it! The stories on WS how some people are treated in the US. Think of that judge who sent teens away for money
     
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  13. glamourkitty1922

    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    well, I messed this one up. Sorry
     
  14. sunnynz

    sunnynz Well-Known Member

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    2018 World Press Freedom Index | RSF

    NZ is ranked 8th in the world, US 45th, for freedom of press. This takes into account everything from government control to big business control over what is portrayed and reported in media.

    NZ has a press which is largely free to do as they please, except when the government is required to step in, like to stop the spread of a terrorist’s manifesto. A one off incident that is unprecedented and necessary.
     
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  15. glamourkitty1922

    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    Money must be more important than rape since you get more years in jail here!
     
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    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    In other words, they don't have a free press because the gov't can censor them unlike in a country with Freedom of the Press. I prefer a freer country.
     
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    sunnynz Well-Known Member

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    Are you in the US? You’re ranked 45th.
     
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  18. Elley Mae

    Elley Mae The enemy is here. beware

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    What about his postings. And what about all the traveling he did to what appears to be third world countries. He’s an australian living in new zealand for 2 years and no one thought that odd.
    In hindsight seems the red flags were ignored.

    I can’t imagine having a neighbor doing this for years and not being suspicious.

    Dang there’s a neighbor here that works for a gov agency and when he leaves, bags packed for flight we read the paper and with in a matter of days something ‘big’ in the world happened. We see it coming. I’m sure he was only piece of the operation that went down. But as neighbors paying attention we could easily predict something was about to happen, and it did.
    Some folks thought I had an inside scoop, no I just pay attention.
     
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  19. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    I really think this conversation can go into absurdity. The censorship in the US can be documented on and on.Think of the Kennedy assassination. Really, it would derail this thread. I am off to watch SNL, now
     
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  20. glamourkitty1922

    glamourkitty1922 Well-Known Member

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    Our media can print anything they want, they really can't even be sued for making mistakes. They can post video of crimes and manifestos etc and there is nothing the gov't can do. Unlike New Zealand. Our gov't cannot remove anything from the internet without a warrant because of due process, and they can be refused under freedom of press. Anyone can be the press in the US, unlike many other countries. We are not 45 except due to bias on the page reporting it. What is censored in our press? Nothing.
     

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