New Zealand - Christchurch Mosque shooting, dead & injured reported, 15 March 2019

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Prime Minister Ardern:

"He sought many things from his act of terror, but one was notoriety, and that is why you will never hear me mention his name.

He is a terrorist, he is a criminal, he is an extremist, but he will, when I speak, be nameless.

And to others, I implore you, speak the names of those who were lost rather than the name of the man who took them.

He may have sought notoriety, but we in New Zealand will give him nothing, not even his name."

Jacinda Ardern lashes Facebook over Christchurch shooter's live stream

Exactly.
 
From what I read, prisoners don't get a taxpayer paid defense lawyer, they get a bill. Lots of people defend themselves in court to stop bankrupting their family members. They have that right, so I guess he will be defending himself. Going to court without a lawyer | New Zealand Ministry of Justice

Your information is not correct

New Zealand is an advanced western economy with a highly rated criminal justice system.

All accused have access to legal representation via legal aid.
 
If anyone is interested, you can read from a number of security experts on how ISIS was systematically deplatformed on the internet to fight the spread of extreme propaganda in the west. The idea that governments like the US, UK etc don't censor on the internet is far fetched. They also use the access of these materials to identify suspects.

The conversation that is long overdue, but which will begin in NZ at least, is how to start deplatforming extreme right ideology.
 
Prime Minister Ardern:

"He sought many things from his act of terror, but one was notoriety, and that is why you will never hear me mention his name.

He is a terrorist, he is a criminal, he is an extremist, but he will, when I speak, be nameless.

And to others, I implore you, speak the names of those who were lost rather than the name of the man who took them.

He may have sought notoriety, but we in New Zealand will give him nothing, not even his name."

Jacinda Ardern lashes Facebook over Christchurch shooter's live stream

Exactly.

It's long overdue to hold Facebook and co legally to account for this material

Afterall, this is what happened with Kimdotcom and megaupload. He was not allowed to claim that he was not criminally responsible for the vast amounts of pirated material on his servers. Similarly FB should be criminally liable for spreading objectionable content.

If they can't comply with the law, they should be shut down.

Ms Ardern said she had been in communication with Facebook chief Sheryl Sandberg, and wanted the social media giant to ensure the "horrendous" footage of the attack was unable to be viewed.

"You can't have something so graphic and it not [have an impact] ... and that's why it's so important it's removed," she said.

The plea comes as the video is formally listed as "objectionable" by New Zealand's chief censor, David Shanks, who is responsible for overseeing the classification and restriction of content.

The ruling means the footage is banned throughout the country, and those found sharing it could face fines or jail time.

Calls for more action from social media giants were echoed by internet service providers in Australia and New Zealand, including Telstra and Vodafone, which are blocking "dozens of sites" that are still hosting footage of the Christchurch attack.
 
How normal kid became alleged terrorist

A knee injury was the catalyst that turned the bullied teenager into a gym fanatic obsessed with bodybuilding, and he started working at Big River Gym in Grafton, volunteering to help train young people.

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But a gym-goer named Jo told the Telegraph he was “awkward”, while another woman called him a “creep” who would “sleaze on to girls” with little success and “was not well-liked”.

At around this time, mental health workers became aware of Tarrant, and he became known as “an intense guy who had issues with minorities, particularly immigrants and women”. A doctor said he also had “some issue with his mother”.

Neighbours in New Zealand’s South Island city of Dunedin called Tarrant a “recluse” and said he rapidly “buffed up” in the months leading up to Friday’s attack. Local hotel manager Justin told news.com.au that Tarrant seemed weird and gave off a “certain vibe” that made him “wary”.


I wonder if he used steroids........roid rage etc ( no excuses )
 
How normal kid became alleged terrorist

A knee injury was the catalyst that turned the bullied teenager into a gym fanatic obsessed with bodybuilding, and he started working at Big River Gym in Grafton, volunteering to help train young people.

snip

But a gym-goer named Jo told the Telegraph he was “awkward”, while another woman called him a “creep” who would “sleaze on to girls” with little success and “was not well-liked”.

At around this time, mental health workers became aware of Tarrant, and he became known as “an intense guy who had issues with minorities, particularly immigrants and women”. A doctor said he also had “some issue with his mother”.

Neighbours in New Zealand’s South Island city of Dunedin called Tarrant a “recluse” and said he rapidly “buffed up” in the months leading up to Friday’s attack. Local hotel manager Justin told news.com.au that Tarrant seemed weird and gave off a “certain vibe” that made him “wary”.


I wonder if he used steroids........roid rage etc ( no excuses )

It's interesting that pretty much every mass shooter these days has an abusive history with women.

Wonder if this guy will turn out to be the same.
 
It's interesting that pretty much every mass shooter these days has an abusive history with women.

Wonder if this guy will turn out to be the same.

I totally think so.

I think he went to those countries looking for women who would be subservient to him and it did not work out. Whatever happened fueled his rage
 
In additon, by acting as his own lawyer, he would have a "platform" to "speak" to certain individuals who agree with the hate and reasoning in the manifesto. It's horrifying to even think of.

IMO that's not the worst of it. He'll also be able to cross-examine witnesses and family members. That would be unthinkable. He has no remorse for what he's done and it would be more than distressing for them to face him in court let alone have to speak to him.
 
It's interesting that pretty much every mass shooter these days has an abusive history with women.

Wonder if this guy will turn out to be the same.

Maybe, but from what I've read so far, women have wanted nothing to do with him. I think that may also be part of his problem. He hates them. And then there's the issue he has with his mother, whatever that is. So many of these mass murderers, shooters or otherwise, have issues with their mothers.
 
Maybe, but from what I've read so far, women have wanted nothing to do with him. I think that may also be part of his problem. He hates them. And then there's the issue he has with his mother, whatever that is. So many of these mass murderers, shooters or otherwise, have issues with their mothers.

That is the problem. Women want nothing to do with these killers but they feel thst they are entitled to one
 
Mass murderers, shooters, etc often sit on the psychopathy, socipathy or narcissism spectrum. It's in the same as those with Borderline Personality Disorder also tend to have 'mother issues'. It's been speculated that 80% of men in prison in the US for hard crimes, have Borderline Personality Disorder (sorry, can't validate the statistic, just remember it).
 
More from Jacinda on why its high time to treat FB etc as publishers.

PM Jacinda Ardern promises to never speak alleged Christchurch shooter's name

"There is no question that ideas and language of division and hate have existed for decades, but their form of distribution, the tools of organisation, they are new," Ardern said.

"We cannot simply sit back and accept that these platforms just exist and that what is said on them is not the responsibility of the place where they are published. They are the publisher. Not just the postman. There cannot be a case of all profit, no responsibility.
 
He’s an australian living in new zealand for 2 years and no one thought that odd.
In hindsight seems the red flags were ignored.

Why is that odd? Why should it raise a red flag?

Huge numbers of people have moved between our two countries.

At present over 49,00 Aussies live in NZ and over 500,00 Kiwis live in Oz.
 
I thought this thread was about 50 innocent people who were killed in their place of worship in New Zealand by a white supremacist.

It doesn’t matter what the rights, freedoms and laws in other countries are.
 
I thought this thread was about 50 innocent people who were killed in their place of worship in New Zealand by a white supremacist.

It doesn’t matter what the rights, freedoms and laws in other countries are.

I've been a bit surprised at how people seem to think NZ is some socialist nanny state instead of a leading western democracy which scores very highly on all indicators of corruption, freedom, justice etc

Of course as a Westminster democracy, we are much closer to the UK than the US or indeed any European nation as far as our laws go. Electorally we have proportional representation like European nations.

But economically we are a low touch liberal market economy - much more like the US (or Australia).

So I would certainly encourage posters who don't know about NZ to learn about our fairly unique set up.

But you have to accept that this event will be subject to NZ laws.
 
IMO that's not the worst of it. He'll also be able to cross-examine witnesses and family members. That would be unthinkable. He has no remorse for what he's done and it would be more than distressing for them to face him in court let alone have to speak to him.

Why would a mass murderer have an opportunity to cross-examine people who are related to the victims? Witnesses who were at the Mosque could testify, but would people related to victims would have anything to contribute to the evidence?
 
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