New Zealand - Christchurch Mosque shooting, dead & injured reported, 15 March 2019

Discussion in 'Rampage Killings and Terrorist Attacks' started by north_west, Mar 14, 2019.

  1. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    the prime minister is amazing. She is what a leader is.She is a beacon of light for the rest of the world.
     
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  2. mrjitty

    mrjitty Well-Known Member

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    Your information is not correct

    New Zealand is an advanced western economy with a highly rated criminal justice system.

    All accused have access to legal representation via legal aid.
     
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    mrjitty Well-Known Member

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    If anyone is interested, you can read from a number of security experts on how ISIS was systematically deplatformed on the internet to fight the spread of extreme propaganda in the west. The idea that governments like the US, UK etc don't censor on the internet is far fetched. They also use the access of these materials to identify suspects.

    The conversation that is long overdue, but which will begin in NZ at least, is how to start deplatforming extreme right ideology.
     
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  4. mrjitty

    mrjitty Well-Known Member

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    It's long overdue to hold Facebook and co legally to account for this material

    Afterall, this is what happened with Kimdotcom and megaupload. He was not allowed to claim that he was not criminally responsible for the vast amounts of pirated material on his servers. Similarly FB should be criminally liable for spreading objectionable content.

    If they can't comply with the law, they should be shut down.

     
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    How normal kid became alleged terrorist

    A knee injury was the catalyst that turned the bullied teenager into a gym fanatic obsessed with bodybuilding, and he started working at Big River Gym in Grafton, volunteering to help train young people.

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    But a gym-goer named Jo told the Telegraph he was “awkward”, while another woman called him a “creep” who would “sleaze on to girls” with little success and “was not well-liked”.

    At around this time, mental health workers became aware of Tarrant, and he became known as “an intense guy who had issues with minorities, particularly immigrants and women”. A doctor said he also had “some issue with his mother”.

    Neighbours in New Zealand’s South Island city of Dunedin called Tarrant a “recluse” and said he rapidly “buffed up” in the months leading up to Friday’s attack. Local hotel manager Justin told news.com.au that Tarrant seemed weird and gave off a “certain vibe” that made him “wary”.


    I wonder if he used steroids........roid rage etc ( no excuses )
     
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    drsleuth Well-Known Member

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    It's interesting that pretty much every mass shooter these days has an abusive history with women.

    Wonder if this guy will turn out to be the same.
     
  8. human

    human Well-Known Member

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    I totally think so.

    I think he went to those countries looking for women who would be subservient to him and it did not work out. Whatever happened fueled his rage
     
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    JudgeJudi Well-Known Member

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    IMO that's not the worst of it. He'll also be able to cross-examine witnesses and family members. That would be unthinkable. He has no remorse for what he's done and it would be more than distressing for them to face him in court let alone have to speak to him.
     
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  10. JudgeJudi

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    Maybe, but from what I've read so far, women have wanted nothing to do with him. I think that may also be part of his problem. He hates them. And then there's the issue he has with his mother, whatever that is. So many of these mass murderers, shooters or otherwise, have issues with their mothers.
     
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    That is the problem. Women want nothing to do with these killers but they feel thst they are entitled to one
     
  12. Ampersandish

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    Mass murderers, shooters, etc often sit on the psychopathy, socipathy or narcissism spectrum. It's in the same as those with Borderline Personality Disorder also tend to have 'mother issues'. It's been speculated that 80% of men in prison in the US for hard crimes, have Borderline Personality Disorder (sorry, can't validate the statistic, just remember it).
     
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    More from Jacinda on why its high time to treat FB etc as publishers.

    PM Jacinda Ardern promises to never speak alleged Christchurch shooter's name

     
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    Really impressed with Jacinda Ardern. She is doing all the right things. Makes a change to see a decent leader!
     
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  15. JudgeJudi

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    Why is that odd? Why should it raise a red flag?

    Huge numbers of people have moved between our two countries.

    At present over 49,00 Aussies live in NZ and over 500,00 Kiwis live in Oz.
     
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  16. JudgeJudi

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    I thought this thread was about 50 innocent people who were killed in their place of worship in New Zealand by a white supremacist.

    It doesn’t matter what the rights, freedoms and laws in other countries are.
     
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  17. mrjitty

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    I've been a bit surprised at how people seem to think NZ is some socialist nanny state instead of a leading western democracy which scores very highly on all indicators of corruption, freedom, justice etc

    Of course as a Westminster democracy, we are much closer to the UK than the US or indeed any European nation as far as our laws go. Electorally we have proportional representation like European nations.

    But economically we are a low touch liberal market economy - much more like the US (or Australia).

    So I would certainly encourage posters who don't know about NZ to learn about our fairly unique set up.

    But you have to accept that this event will be subject to NZ laws.
     
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    Why would a mass murderer have an opportunity to cross-examine people who are related to the victims? Witnesses who were at the Mosque could testify, but would people related to victims would have anything to contribute to the evidence?
     
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    Anyone who testifies at a trial can be cross-examined. The accused no longer has a lawyer and is planning to represent himself. If relatives of the victims were present inside or outside the mosques and testify as to what they witnessed or heard, the accused is entitled to cross-examine them. He has the right to challenge anything they say.
     
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    Far-right extremists were on the intelligence radar and tip-offs about their activity had been followed up ahead of the Christchurch mosque attack, according to the Government and intelligence bosses.

    The minister responsible for intelligence agencies, Andrew Little, said the SIS [Security Intelligence Service] commissioned its own internal review into the far right about nine months ago.

    It was in response to the "obvious rise" of white supremacism, and other far right activity around the world, he said.

    "The rise of white supremacism had become apparent in the arrests in Europe and other parts of the word and it was at that point the SIS undertook its programme of work to consider how they had to gear up to deal with that issue."

    He said the Government has announced a review into the Christchurch mosques massacre and it could be followed by Royal Commission of inquiry.

    Far-right extremists were on the Government's radar before mosque attack
     
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