Discussion in 'Rampage Killings and Terrorist Attacks' started by north_west, Mar 14, 2019.
It is not me that keeps bringing Candace to the thread
Facebook: Nobody reported live video of New Zealand shooting
You have used the same "clutch your pearls" statement. Owens has disavowed any of this. The Australian paper that ran its opinion piece on her the other day took her words WAY out of context and I suspect she may be zeroing in on them for it. CO has no connection to this killing other than this killer apparently misunderstood what CO believes in. Lets move on. The continued mentioning of her name with this killing is clearly only a thinly veiled attack on her and her beliefs.
Perhaps that’s an oversimplified take. That said ... Yes, the NZ shooter’s far right extremist ideology was also anti-ethnic and anti-Islamic.
In the context of the NZ shooting, the victims are also immigrants and refugees.
They are from Jordan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Syria, Palestine, United Arab Emirates, Jakarta, Telangana, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Somalia, Jordan, etc.
It’s well documented that the shooter is a white nationalist, and that his beliefs are also anti-Islam, anti-immigrant, and anti-multiculturalist.
Accused gunman in Christchurch terror attacks denied newspaper, television and radio access
I absolutely agree with you, especially after reading the statements from Ross Burns, who has had experience with a trial concerning terrorism.
"Former Crown prosecutor Ross Burns, who led the 'Operation 8 case' after the 2007 raids, said charging Tarrant with murder - but not terrorism - would curb his ability to grandstand."
"Using terror laws against him could fuel his ability to grandstand in court, according to the only lawyer to lead a case under New Zealand's anti-terrorism law."
"A document Tarrant purportedly published online before the shootings cited a desire to plead not guilty, and he reportedly plans to represent himself."
Why mosque killer could end up never answering terror charges
The fallout for kiwis looks to be twin track. I think despite Jacinda's rhetoric that this won't change us, in reality there will be far reaching consequences.
Gordon Campbell on what effective changes to our gun law and to the SIS, would look like – werewolf
Gordon Campbell on what effective changes to our gun law and to the SIS, would look like
Already, the government has signalled that its response to the Christchurch mosque shootings will proceed on two main fronts (a) changes to the gun laws (b) changes to the current surveillance behaviours of the Police and the SIS. So… what would a programme of action look like in those two areas, given that the aim must be to protect the innocent via new measures that do the least possible harm to the existing rights of the law-abiding? All of us surely, have a stake in searching for a consensus on how to proceed.
Re: NZ shooter’s ideology:
“One core of fascism that hasn’t changed is this creation of a sense of emergency around whiteness,” Ben-Ghiat says. “If we don’t understand that racism was embedded in fascism from the start, we are getting an incomplete picture.”
What Historians of Fascism Think About the Suspected New Zealand Shooter's Declaration of Extremism
What I find so tragic is I was walking round central Christchurch before the shooting and really marvelling at how it had changed and become so multi-kulti with so few problems. I only go back every few years so the changes jump out.
As a boy in the mid 80s, my high school year of 250 had exactly 3 kids who weren't white. My goodness how that has changed. But not just immigration, NZ really oriented itself as a global trader, with big focus on Asia. Christchurch has evolved out of sight from the boring place it was in the 80s. Before the quakes it was a major tourist destination - only just rebuilding now
Yes there have been troubles, but actually the main one has been the foreign ownership of housing - especially in auckland.
Going back I was struck once more by just how friendly and laid back everyone is compared to say London
That is part of what makes this so horrific - because it was done to us - and not by one of us.
So like many kiwis I struggled as to how the hell to explain all this to my young kids as I kept them away from TV and the newspapers so as not to terrify them.
There are no words, but just a sense of pride in how everyday kiwis have reacted.
I have decided to make this my last post about the Christchurch attacks
Teen accused of sharing video of Christchurch terror attack denied bail
NZ isn’t playing around! Wow. He could face up to 14 years in jail.
“The teen faces two charges: one of sharing the live-stream and a second for posting a photograph of one of the mosque's attacked with the message ‘target acquired’ along with other chat messages ‘inciting extreme violence’.”
I linked an article as it relates to this thread. She can defend herself against claims that she inspired the NZ mosque attack.
The video has been classed as ‘objectionable’ material so I guess it’s the same now as sharing something like child pornography. Seems fair to me, share a gruesome video of innocent people being slaughtered.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
This will be my last post as well on this thread until the trial begins.
Thank you so much for your insightful and deeply compassionate posts.
I learned so much from you, especially about the stellar people who live in New Zealand. I can absolutely see how you feel such pride for everyone there, especially how the communities came together to support the grieving loved ones.
For anyone who missed Tricia's earlier post, please READ THIS:
I put the link where it says you have to pay back the legal aid.
Can you imagine how traumatizing that would be? You survive the horror and you have to answer questions from the monster who created the horror? That is so wrong.
Doesn't the defense have the right to call witnesses in NZ?
I'm pretty sure the reason he is defending himself is so that he can get up in open court, with a captive audience and ramble on and spew his crap. If he has a lawyer, he really doesn't get to do that. And its not like having a criminal defense attorney is really going to do him any good. I'm sure the prosecutor would MUCH rather he had an attorney.
She is all that,I wish she was our PM.
I am confused. Wasn’t she referenced by the killer?