New Zealand - Christchurch Mosque shooting, dead & injured reported, 15 March 2019

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  1. RubyHill

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  2. otto

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    This happened in New Zealand. It has shocked the nation.
    That experience should not be compared to countries where mass murders are common.
     
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    That's a shame.

    I get "the United States really sucks" all of the time and it doesn't scare me off.
     
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    I'm not comparing whats going on in New Zealand with anything.

    I'm asking questions about New Zealand specifically.
     
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    Hilarious. Just goes to show you are as bad as those you stereotype.
     
  6. RubyHill

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    Thank you Otto,thats it in a nutshell,NZ is more used to dealing with earthquakes,this is something that they ahve never dealt with before,like Australia with Port Arthur,the gun laws went into place and nothing like that has happened again,I pray we will be able to say the same for NZ.
     
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    They didn't anticipate an Australian madman on their land.
     
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    Why not?

    Is New Zealand somehow immune from madmen domestic or foreign?
     
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    I fear getting shot all the time in CA. And not by gang bangers. I fear getting shot in church, at a political rally, at a crowded concert, a parade, a restaurant and definitely in my office, by some crazed, disgruntled person.

    I think most Americans do. Just watch how people react when a firecracker goes off somewhere in a crowded area when it's not near Fourth of July.

    Fear of mass gun death is part of our culture. Some people think arming more will prevent those deaths others think that will increase the odds of getting killed as more people on the edge become armed.

    But why the heck are we debating what New Zealand does? They're very free there. Very. Free in many ways that we aren't. And if they chose to give up arms that's not the government taking away their freedom. That's them creating a social contract for the good of their nation.

    But New Zealand isn't the US. We have a very unique culture here (my BA is in American Studies so I know it pretty well) and guns have been a part of it from the moment we became a nation.

    Guns are part of our western mythology. They're part of our American identity. They're part of the fabric of our country, whether you like that or not and regardless of the ramifications.

    Guns for many represent freedom, self reliance, independence, the little guy persevering over the tyrant, etc.

    People in other countries don't realize how embedded guns are here and that as result, what happens in other counties regarding gun control is not going to happen here. If it didn't happen after Newtown it is not going to happen ever without fundamental changes to our national thinking.
     
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    They were up until last week,now they are trying to make sure it never happens again.
     
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    The thing is RANCH, NZ is a beautful country with a wonderful peaceful population who are filled with empathy for their fellow citizens and that creates a harmonistic happy life. ‘Fact is NZ doesn’t suck. NZers are travellers and they see the world and then they come home. And when they get home they say “lucky us, we live in a sane and beautiful land and we also make a delightful cold climate pinot noir...we will live happily ever after in the land of the long white cloud. No, NZ does not suck. It’s taken a blow, but this country is really creating the definite guidebook on how to move on from somthing horrid like this with rational decisions made with conviction. Go NZ!
     
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    It's a small nation with a lot of social safety nets (socialist democracy) and a pretty unified society from what I've seen, so no. The things that tend to increase the risks of a madman opening fire aren't as apparent in NZ from what I've seen. Overall angst. Loneliness. Fear. Financial stress.

    Not like here.

    Edit: with not "without" social safety nets.
     
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    Post of the day.
     
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    Apparently not. An Australian madman (not the first) went to a foreign country and committed mass murder. He planned to attack a 3rd Mosque. Other criminals have been known to go to foreign countries to commit a murder (Joran v.d.Sloot). It happens.

    This mass murderer went to a foreign country to commit mass murder because it was easier to obtain semi-automatic fire power. He could just have easily have gone to the USA.
     
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    One time I was chatting on an American Forum regarding our gun laws,they were quite horrified that our constitution never gave us the right to bear arms..I had to remind them that we started out as a penal colony,the Red Coats were not about to start handing out guns to us lol.
     
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    I did not know that. It's touching, and makes me feel a little bad about some of the tension on this thread that should be about supporting the victims. By the way, I had never heard the term "mateship" until this evening. I like it! A little cultural diffusion, maybe :)
     
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    So mental illness is tied to social safety nets? I need to see a link for that.
     
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    I think your post is a tie with first. :)
     
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