New Zealand - Christchurch Mosque shooting, dead & injured reported, 15 March 2019

[Taskforce88]

I watched it...at least whatever 6-min clip was still up early this morning. I have to say that in a way it came across as a video game because there was no gore that you could see. Don't get me wrong, it was horrific to me nonetheless, but maybe not to others. It almost didn't seem real and I'm sure there will be conspiracy theorists who say it wasn't because of the lack of blood. I don't know what the first 10 min of the attack looked like (don't want to), but in the clip I saw, he was at his car reloading and then headed back in to make sure everyone was dead. He fired numerous shots at people who were dead or dying and it didn't look like what I would expect, I guess based on movies...?

In the HD video I watched earlier there was plenty of blood splatter when some round hit, and you could see the blood being trailed all over the ground as he walked through it. At the beginning of the video when he first used the shotgun the blood is very clear. At the end of his shooting spree at the first mosque you see him firing two 5.56mm rounds into the lady wounded on the ground and part of her skull is blasted away.

In real life depending on the velocity of the round, type of round, the calibre ect, blood is not immediately apparent, especially if you are firing into a body on the ground. As you say most of what people think comes from films and TV.

 

[human]

RSBM. I agree! And this is exactly why he chose to mention her in his manifesto. He had specific reasons for doing so that can't be discussed here. I don't think he is deranged at all (which makes him all the more dangerous), every word of his manifesto was painstakingly crafted in order to spread his message/propaganda. IMO.

Did you read the Sydney news article I posted? Apparently she said the Nazis were fine.

 

[eucalyptuz]

Please, let’s not open the door to conspiracy theories. The scale of the necessary subterfuge would be just impossible.

 

[cobalt sky]

Did you read the Sydney news article I posted? Apparently she said the Nazis were fine.

No I did not see that and I never heard her say that, but we are not supposed to be discussing this here anyways so let's not go there

 

[ZoriahNZ]

Candace Owens said this in London in August :

“I actually don’t have any problems at all with the word ‘nationalism.' I think that the definition gets poisoned by elitists that actually want globalism. Globalism is what I don’t want, so when you think about whenever we say nationalism, the first thing people think about, at least in America, is Hitler."

She went on to explain:

“He was a national socialist. But if Hitler just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay, fine. The problem is that he wanted, he had dreams outside of Germany. He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German, everybody to be speaking German. Everybody to look a different way. To me, that’s not nationalism. In thinking about how we could go bad down the line, I don’t really have an issue with nationalism. I really don’t. I think that it’s okay.”

source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-hitler-recent-speech/?utm_term=.d631fedbfd2d


She appeared sympathetic to nationalist ideologies. Perhaps that is why the shooter, a white nationalist and supremacist, who views immigrants as invaders named her as an inspiration.

 

[human]

No I did not see that and I never heard her say that, but we are not supposed to be discussing this here anyways so let's not go there

Oh, I am confused as people are discussing it so I posted this newspaper article from Sydney.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/white-broken-men-the-20190315-p514ml.html

 

[cobalt sky]

Candace Owens said this in London in August :



source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-hitler-recent-speech/?utm_term=.d631fedbfd2d


She appeared sympathetic to nationalist ideologies. Perhaps that is why the shooter, a white nationalist and supremacist, who views immigrants as invaders named her as an inspiration.

Your source . She did not support what Hitler did, but of course MSM will twist her words. She is a strong, well-spoken female AA conservative advocate for the AA community. Some people don't like that. IMO.

 

[cobalt sky]

Candace Owens said this in London in August :



source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...-hitler-recent-speech/?utm_term=.d631fedbfd2d


She appeared sympathetic to nationalist ideologies. Perhaps that is why the shooter, a white nationalist and supremacist, who views immigrants as invaders named her as an inspiration.

BBM. So? She has not been accused of or charged with any crimes. There is no evidence that Candace Owens had any knowledge or involvement in the New Zealand crimes. And until then, people should not be treating her as though she is a criminal. IMO.

 

[floridagrrl]

Your source . She did not support what Hitler did, but of course MSM will twist her words. She is a strong, well-spoken female AA conservative advocate for the AA community. Some people don't like that. IMO.

No need to twist anything. She said it and she should just own it already, IMO

I have a dear kiwi friend who is heartbroken
She and I would have so many convos about the current climate in the US and the acts of terriosim here. She was so proud to be able to say, “not here” and I so envied that as well. My heart breaks that safety has been shattered for her country.
I’m so sorry to all of you proud New Zealanders for today and the days forward.

 

[zencompass]

My prayers are with everyone, that the injured in hospital will survive this.

I extend a prayer of gratitude, strength and compassion to the worshipers there who provided first aid, the police officers, the emergency medical responders, and the doctors and nurses.

May the families of the loved ones embrace one another during this terrible time.

I am deeply grateful (and not surprised) to hear how the community continues to surround them with deep compassion, love and help. This is uplifting and the world needs to see this.


Christchurch mosque shootings: Children among those dead and injured

"There was a possibility the death toll could rise, with some patients in Christchurch hospital critically injured."

 

[PrairieWind]

No need to twist anything. She said it and she should just own it already, IMO

I have a dear kiwi friend who is heartbroken
She and I would have so many convos about the current climate in the US and the acts of terriosim here. She was so proud to be able to say, “not here” and I so envied that as well. My heart breaks that safety has been shattered for her country.
I’m so sorry to all of you proud New Zealanders for today and the days forward.

But she DIDN'T say Nazis are fine. She is not a racist and has never advocated violence. How can a black woman be a white supremacist?

 

[MassGuy]

Wow! My local news refused to show that clip ,but showed eyewitnesses with blood splatter all over them. They also explained that they had edited it as a lot of people in our area are still affected by the synagogue massacre. I refused to watch that video on Twitter last night,but people who did were begging others not to do so,because of the horror of it.

That, and it gives these guys exactly what they want.

They want people to watch their videos.

They want to draw attention to their “cause.”

They want to inspire people to do the same.

Unfortunately, these attacks are almost self perpetuating. They provide a gameplan for the next terrorist, no matter his specific ideology.

You can commit an act of mass violence, and you know that your name will live on forever, atleast on the Internet.

 

[Randazzo]

I know I'm not the only one who noticed "worker's rights" and "environmentalism" on the manifesto's cover. People have been calling him "right-wing" but those are not right-wing issues. If anything that sounds like a socialist, ethnic-cleaning type (think Hitler). Maybe the term has an opposite meaning in Australia and New Zealand?

 

[glamourkitty1922]

This is horrible. I am so glad he never made it to the third Mosque. At least they are alive and well. I feel so sorry for the victims and their families.

 

[Reasonable & Just]

But she DIDN'T say Nazis are fine. She is not a racist and has never advocated violence. How can a black woman be a white supremacist?

Oh, I think it's possible if it gets you attention, moneymaking opportunities, and approval as being "well-spoken". But I agree that she's not to blame for this monstrosity.

 

[Steleheart]

My heart goes out to all involved or affected by this tragic crime.

To any new members and especially guests please check the rules links in my sig.

The sorrow that we in the US feel for our NZ friends is great. We love you all. I suppose it's difficult to keep the politics out and we all appreciate keeping to the facts.
Great job everyone!

Regards.


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[Curiousobserver]

I know I'm not the only one who noticed "worker's rights" and "environmentalism" on the manifesto's cover. People have been calling him "right-wing" but those are not right-wing issues. If anything that sounds like a socialist, ethnic-cleaning type (think Hitler). Maybe the term has an opposite meaning in Australia and New Zealand?

People always want the bad guys to be on the other team, in the other tribe.

There are good people, well meaning, kind, people on both the right and the left. There is also more than enough hate to go around on both sides.

These guys are just crazy, evil people.

 

[eucalyptuz]

To avoid the Candace Owens debate, anyone can source the orinigal videos of the words coming out of her mouth and judge for themselves if it could be fodder for a crazy man. A quick google search turns up plenty of un-edited footage.

 

[LietKynes]

Oh, I am confused as people are discussing it so I posted this newspaper article from Sydney.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/white-broken-men-the-20190315-p514ml.html

^^^ Re. the link : Well, that was an interesting read, thanks, human !

Sometimes, I wish MSM would link when they quote someone.
As we do here at WS.

Eta : Methinks smh.com.au "misunderstood" Ms. Owens.
Fairly certain that seldom happens....

Having re-read the article in question, the fact that the killer thought Ms. Owens (an AA woman) to be a 'darling' of the far right is ridiculous. But in Brenton Tarrant's twisted, narrow little mind --- anything is possible.

Note that I'm not familiar with Ms. Owens and have started to lose faith in msm years ago.
They've lost objectivity (if they ever had any, but that's fodder for another thread), and don't hesitate to slant their articles.
Hence the need to quote and not just report when using other people's words.

From msm : Inside the life of New Zealand’s worst ever terrorist | Daily Mail Online
"..... The gunman stormed inside and fired quick bursts at anyone he saw. One wounded man tried to crawl away but was shot again after he calmly reloaded.
He fired into crowds of huddled worshippers, sometimes not even looking where he was shooting, reloading numerous times...."

New Zealand mosque shooting: Attacker's apparent manifesto probed
".... Anti-immigrant far-right extremism has a long history in Australia and in recent years its focus has shifted to opposing Muslims, according to Mark Briskey, a senior lecturer in criminology at Murdoch University in Perth...."
Emph. mine
So maybe Australian policies have influenced this monster ?
Or not ? Sounds like he needed little excuse to carry out his carnage !

49 killed in mass shootings at 2 mosques in 'one of New Zealand's darkest days' - ABC News
".... Arden made reference to the nationalities of the victims, saying, "Many of those directly involved might be immigrants, refugees who chose to be here. They are us. The person who has done this, is not."...."

I've not watched the video, but according to those who have... the first words the first victim spoke as the killer walked up to the entrance were, "Welcome, brother..."
Words of kindness and acceptance.

My utmost condolences to these innocent victims and their families. They did not deserve this !


What a pity the killer(s) survived.

 

[Randazzo]

Hence the need to quote and not just report when using other people's words.

This times a million. If people quoted directly (full quotes not just picking out a word or two) then most of the sensationalist, fake outrage articles would never be written.