Found Deceased NEW ZEALAND - Grace Millane, 22, British backpacker, Auckland, 1 Dec 2018 *Arrest* #2

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  1. courtkim

    courtkim Well-Known Member

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    My two cents on the choking thing:
    I lean more towards All & Forward's opinion that it's fairly run of the mill for 'young' people who are quite sexually active (up there with rimming).
    My personal experience - as someone in late twenties who would probably be considered quite 'promiscuous' by most - is that it frequently happens in casual sex, although it's always been brought up first. Just doing it without asking would be creepy and in that case I agree with the lasses.

    On a societal level though when I really think about it it makes me sick. It's such an example of porn's dominance in shaping sexual behaviours and then violence against women being normalised in that regard. Watch HBO's Euphoria in you want an insight in how effed Gen Z is.
     
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    Yep. As a wayback Gen X type here I find the rise of playacting killing a woman as a top sex act could present some problems for criminal responsibility on a societal level. Someone shared this earlier and I found it on point.
    The fatal, hateful rise of choking during sex

    As you mention porn IMO this defendant was heavily pornified to the extent he was seeking it out as Grace Millane's newly dead body lay nearby. In fact he tried to turn her into porn with his pictures. I find that quite illuminating of his frame of mind.
     
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    I am also torn on whether him turning around, basically that quick spin he does, was an attempt to back out of the date, or if he did it with a wink and a smile after she already saw him. Of course it's hard to see their sightlines or where Grace was looking but it seems like she likely spotted him by then, esp with how you describe the open space there.
     
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    This is an excellent point. I listened to a podcast series (the name of which escapes me right now) about how the rise of online porn has totally changed the sexual mores of a whole generation.
     
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    It IS hard to tell with the pixelation but, it looks like he was straightening up his clothing, checking his flies were up, adjusting sleeves etc ...

    If only it had been him backing out on the date eh ...

    Makes me wonder, how many near misses one could have in a lifetime and be completely oblivious.
     
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    It is clear that the defendant had an extreme sexual disorder complex that had been getting more obsessive for some time. The women before Grace, (including the lady that met with him on Dec 2nd in Ponsonby), were extremely lucky.

    I can't imagine any girl of 21, (unless in the porn industry or prostitution:- which Grace was not), would have wanted to conduct anything like that level of extreme erotic sex. Grace was clearly looking for a passionate encounter, not to be smothered!; not at all.

    In my view, the style of sex was imposed by the accused due to the clear evidence of deep bruising on Grace's body and the lengths he went to restrain her. There is no way under those circumstances she would have given him the green light to continue as it must have been quite vulgar and unpleasant for her.

    It obviously points to a situation where due to the drink, he has gone completely off the rails, took control, and ignored her pleas to stop; which resulted in him carrying on until he climaxed or she had stopped moving/breathing.

    All of what he know of this case up to now, shows that this man is a maniac that deserves to remain behind bars until well into old age where he will no longer represent a mortal threat to the young female population.
     
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    Well said. I have to agree with that @Hjp . Also i guess that will be the prosecusions closing argument to jury.
     
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    More like the defence has persuaded this moron not to speak another word. It’s a shame because he would have hung himself out to dry for the jury to see IMO
     
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    "10:19am - Defence lawyer Ron Mansfield has begun his opening address to the jury. He says they shouldn't be worried about what is normal, but only what is unlawful. Mansfield says the jury's view of what is the political, social or moral norm shouldn't distract them from determining whether there "has been a criminal wrong"."

    Grace Millane murder trial: Live updates as Defence opens case, calls witnesses
     
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