GUILTY NEW ZEALAND - Grace Millane, 22, British backpacker, Auckland, 1 Dec 2018 *Arrest* #3

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  1. legal.beagle

    legal.beagle Well-Known Member

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    If they are close to verdict they will likely stay late
     
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  2. Kikixxxx

    Kikixxxx Well-Known Member

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  3. legal.beagle

    legal.beagle Well-Known Member

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    Ditto
     
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    courtkim Well-Known Member

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    Anyone else refreshing every five seconds? I can't do anything else.
     
  5. legal.beagle

    legal.beagle Well-Known Member

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    Yep exactly
     
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  6. Kikixxxx

    Kikixxxx Well-Known Member

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    I seen a guy on twitter saying verdict imminent ... surely if it’s this quick it means a unanimous guilty verdict? You’d think so??
     
  7. Mariposa

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    If they were a NO on murder they would have to turn to the manslaughter questions, right? I’m thinking that would take longer than they’ve taken.....
     
  8. Kikixxxx

    Kikixxxx Well-Known Member

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    The jury in the Grace Millane murder trial have indicated they are close to a verdict and will return their decision to the court this evening. Full rolling coverage on
    @nzherald

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    kay maybe they’re not that close. Looks like it will be a little while yet if they’re saying tonight
     
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  9. kem922

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    My stomach is flipping waiting for the verdict. I can't imagine how grace's family are feeling.
     
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  10. MsBetsy

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    I thought I read that the judge said if they did not reach a verdict by 5:00 pm, that court would be adjourned until Monday. It was in the summary earlier.
     
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  11. kiwilaura

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    I reckon that question is a good sign a guilty verdict is coming. What might have started out as “normal” choking that Grace was ok with, turned into something else entirely.

    MOO
     
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  12. Mariposa

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    I think if the jury tells the judge they want to continue on awhile and are close to a verdict the judge will defer to them
     
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  13. kiwilaura

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    They can choose to stay late if they think they can get a verdict tonight. Seen it happen before.
     
  14. Sararara

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    I think a murder verdict is coming. Apparently the jury asked the judge: "does 'when he applied pressure' refer to when he started to apply pressure at the beginning, or can it refer to any time when he applied pressure?"

    And the judge answered, "it is not limited to the beginning. It can be at any time during the application of force leading to death."

    The jury's foreperson said they were likely to reach a verdict this evening.

    If that's the sticking point, they're going to say murder.
     
  15. Mariposa

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    I think so — that the neck pressure can start out as a non-reckless physical act by the accused and evolve into something else
     
  16. kiwilaura

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    exactly my thinking too. Crossing fingers and holding my breath.
     
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  17. MsBetsy

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    I wonder why the jury is asking this question. Was it mentioned how many times the defendant claimed he applied pressure to her neck?

    If he only did it once during a sustained period, then it wouldn't make sense that she told him to "go harder," since she would likely not have been able to talk while he had his hands around her throat.

    Imo
     
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  18. kiwilaura

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    I am wondering if it has to do with an intent to injure? Acknowledging what started as benign turned murderous.
     
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    How long are they allowed to stay back for until the judge will want to leave? They asked him that question an hour ago ...
     
  20. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    I wish they would say one way or another!

    But if they have come to a decision this soon, it usually is a good sign.
     
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