GUILTY NEW ZEALAND - Grace Millane, 22, British backpacker, Auckland, 1 Dec 2018 *Arrest* #3

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  1. Tortoise

    Tortoise Well-Known Member

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    A few more shots of the bedroom in this video at minutes 2.21 and 2.27 - one showing the suitcase in the wardrobe that was found to have blood inside it.

     
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  2. CrazyLilBlondie

    CrazyLilBlondie Well-Known Member

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    Without sounding unsupportive to the victims of any future cases - the Daily Mail won't really have any interest in future cases unless they are British (and female young and pretty) also.
     
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  3. sunnynz

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    We have a missing persons register in nz but not of UIDs, we don’t really have many to speak of. Nz is such a small country that any bodies found are usually quickly ID’d.

    Not sure about Aus. I do know they have a national register of missing persons.
     
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    sunnynz Well-Known Member

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    For any fellow new zealanders - if you have a tor browser (which is simple to download) then you could easily google search the killers name as though you’re in another country.
     
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  6. kiwilaura

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    I know the British media has no reason not to publish. I hope the publication of his name overseas doesn’t give him reason to say he didn’t get a fair trial if this is the trial that is pending.

    2021 is so far away and I’m thinking his victim may be a minor. Even “just” a young teen.
     
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  7. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Well, I don't know about the UK but in the US they are a gossip and entertainment site that consistently reports on criminal cases like this and they are not reliable when it comes to accurate reporting.

    Imo
     
  8. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Have just heard this terrific news.
    Was very worried, due to past shocks.
    Hope his sentence is LWOP.
    The Creep.
    AS stated on another thread, 'a lying liar, who lies.'
     
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  9. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Welcome Razman, with your first post, posting at such an important time.:):):)
    Hope this Creep is never released.
     
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  10. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Then we can have dart boards, having 'front page pics' of his horrid face.
     
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    Grace's positive legacy is already unfolding, in the shape of full-throated advocacy for legal reform of the "rough sex gone wrong" defence. This just in from The Guardian:

    Senior lawyers and women’s organisations have condemned the increasing use of “rough sex gone wrong” as a courtroom defence to the murder of women and called for a change to the law in the UK. In the wake of the conviction of British backpacker Grace Millane’s killer in New Zealand, researchers have revealed a tenfold rise over the past two decades in the number of times similar claims have been made in UK courts.

    Sarah Green, the director of the End Violence Against Women coalition, said: “Women monitoring femicides in the UK believe the so-called ‘rough sex defence’ is growing. It is deeply alarming and at worst reflects the fact that defence is, actually, a business where some are willing to ‘test’ approaches that might win in court. It sets women up to be harmed in life and grossly insulted after their deaths.

    “We’re also appalled at the willingness of large parts of the media to uncritically reproduce this deeply misogynistic line. Editors need to get a hold of this now and stop the thoughtless and sensational communication of cases where women have died.”



    Concern grows over ‘rough sex gone wrong’ defence in courts
     
  12. kiwijayne

    kiwijayne Well-Known Member

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    Agrees we really don’t have that many people unaccounted for and they do ID victims quickly. I can’t find an update article but to 2017 they say 333 people missing for more that a year. I will note since this article they did find Leo.

    Without a trace: New Zealand's most enduring missing persons cases
     
  13. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Thanks Legal, for this info.:):):)
    Guess, we will hear soon: the sooner the better, of this Creep's past, and now possible, further trials, next.
     
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    DBM
     
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  15. tmar

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    You would have witnessed, LE, their investigations, throughout this horrid time.
    Finally, 'put away'.
     
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  16. tmar

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    Hope we hear further, why this Moron's name has been suppressed: perhaps past, future trials etc
     
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  17. kiwilaura

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    Ok, have had a look and from what I can tell:

    - a person convicted of murder will get a “life” sentence but also included will be a minimum period before parole can be sought. It seems to typically be in the 12-18 year mark but I’ve definitely seen lower. Ten years is the lowest.

    - however if a life sentence could be seen to be manifestly unjust, the judge can set a number of years. There was a supposed mercy killing a few years back where the woman got convicted of murder, sentenced to four years and was out in two.

    Life imprisonment in New Zealand - Wikipedia
     
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  18. tmar

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    dbm
     
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  19. kiwilaura

    kiwilaura Well-Known Member

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    From that same source:

    (1) The court must make an order under section 103 imposing a minimum period of imprisonment of at least 17 years in the following circumstances, unless it is satisfied that it would be manifestly unjust to do so:
    (a) if the murder was committed in an attempt to avoid the detection, prosecution, or conviction of any person for any offence or in any other way to attempt to subvert the course of justice;


    So reading that, he should get at the very least: life with a minimum non-parole period of 17 years
     
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  20. tmar

    tmar Well-Known Member

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    Welcome, trvshyworld, with your first post, and great info.
    Guess, we will not have this Creep's id, for sometime.
     
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