Found Deceased NEW ZEALAND - Grace Millane, 22, British backpacker, Auckland, 1 Dec 2018 *Arrest*

Discussion in 'Trials' started by cybervampira, Dec 4, 2018.

  1. mrjitty

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    CoverMeCagney Well-Known Member

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    Meh. Not sure why he seems to be getting special treatment. Or maybe he's not; is name suppression usual in NZ?
     
  6. mrjitty

    mrjitty Well-Known Member

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    November trial then.
     
  7. mrjitty

    mrjitty Well-Known Member

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    He isn't getting special treatment

    Any accused can apply for name suppression

    It was refused in the district court but he appealed so it will continue until he files his appeal and loses or the time for the appeal runs out.
     
  8. CoverMeCagney

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    But how are people meant to come forward with potentially vital information, if nobody knows who he is? What if there's another girl who had a narrow escape from him, or felt threatened, or knows he can be violent? He's been charged with Grace's murder, so it's not like he's just a POI or been arrested 'on suspicion of'. Do other countries allow name suppression?
     
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    My concern is that he will likely only get 17 years in prison so he will be out in his 40s which gives him the chance to kill another young woman.
     
  10. mrjitty

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    I'd suggest to listen to the excellent Prof Mark Henaghan who explains this in a balanced way. There are some cases where name suppression is appropriate.

    And in this case, name suppression will soon end when the appeal is lost.

    Grace Millane murder-accused 'innocent until proven guilty' - law expert

     
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  11. mrjitty

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    While I get your point, this debate comes up every single time a shocking murder happens and everyone wants even an stricter sentence than last time.

    Judges can already set non-parole periods, but obviously they will have regard to previous tariffs.

    20+ years is more likely for multiple murders or other aggravating factors.

    Remember also if there is evidence of other crimes, he can get consecutive sentences.
     
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    In Sweden it's very unusual that the name of a suspect is published in the newspapers before they have been sentenced. It's not a real name suppression as it's possible for anyone who wants are allowed to get the information (the name and for what) when a person has been arrested for a crime as that's part of public information. But the names are usually not published in the media until after the trail, and the sentencing.
     
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    Does anyone here have an inkling of who this man might be?
     
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    Daily Fail published his name way back...not sure if the articles remain online or not now. We weren’t allowed to mention his name.
     
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    Yes. His name is easy to find as British newspapers named him. The articles are still online.
     
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    Ignore me, of course I knew his name, just looked it up again and recall sleuthing him.
    Apologies, total brain fart!
     
  18. mrjitty

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    I realise this appears frustrating but the world is not ending.

    He will lose his appeal soon enough, and will come to trial in Nov.

    Then for the first time, we will hear the police case in outline. I don't expect significant detail to appear in the papers before that time.
     
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    @JerseyGirl

    Shouldn't your post edit out his name, I thought WS was complying with the court order.
     
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