GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #14

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  1. Miss_Diana

    Miss_Diana Member

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    I've not seen a reply to my post yet .... does anyone know if that was Abby in the video, and who the man was, that ran to hug her?

    http://www.whdh.com/story/26166357/n...s-storage-room
     


  2. takeitfromme412

    takeitfromme412 New Member

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    takeitfromme412 New Member

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    I saw the reply, but it was her friends waiting for her to come out to see them, that was her friend he is her age
     
  4. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    From the above link:

    'Forensic teams pore over home and car of Abby Hernandez's 'kidnapper' as woman claims she was viciously attacked by the 'loner obsessed with a zombie apocalypse'
    Nathaniel Kibby, 34, was arraigned Tuesday in North Conway, N.H. on charges he kidnapped 15-year-old Abigail Hernandez
    Local resident Tammy Shackford tells MailOnline she was viciously shoved to the ground by Kibby in March, following an argument over a car accident
    People who have crossed paths with Kibby over the years call him ‘crazy Nate’
    He would say things like, ‘I’ll blow this whole trailer park up without even thinking about it,' a neighbor claims
    'We expected him to go on a rampage or go crazy with a bomb, not kidnap a child'
    By WILL PAYNE IN NORTH CONWAY, NEW HAMPSHIRE

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    Search: A New Hampshire Fish and Game Conservation K-9 officer crosses the Moose River as he searches for evidence Thursday, July 31, 2014 behind the home of Nathaniel Kibby in Gorham
     
  5. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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  7. bessie

    bessie Verified Insider

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    I know about the different types of canine training. ;) What we're trying to determine:

    1. Is the handler/K-9 team depicted in the Maine photo the same as the one seen in the photo of yesterday's search.

    2. If so, is the dog trained in HRD (a "cadaver dog"), in other words, one trained solely to search out the scent of human decomposition?
     
  8. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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  9. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    Search: A New Hampshire Fish and Game Conservation K-9 officer crosses the Moose River as he searches for evidence Thursday, July 31, 2014 behind the home of Nathaniel Kibby in Gorham

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...obsessed-zombie-apocalypse.html#ixzz39AVWRTKy

    the officer is not identified nor is the dog but the photo caption clearly states the officer who is handling the canine at NK's place is a member of NH Fish and Game, not Maine.

    ETA the game warden from Maine is identified in this cached version of the article about the completely unrelated Mexico Maine case.
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:VumxfTycQf0J:www.sunjournal.com/news/river-valle...g-continues/1228156+&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us

    Conclusion: two different handlers with two different agencies and two different black dogs.
     
  10. PoirotryInMotion

    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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    JMO, but for me the line is when I see them doing something illegal. There are plenty of "loners" or "oddballs" out there who are harmless. In NK's case, when that line got crossed over, LE was aware of it, charges were filed, etc.

    I mean, if I were going to report someone to LE simply because I and more than a few others thought they were crazy (ie. displaying personality-disordered or paranoid thinking and actions), well, I can think of 2-3 family members by marriage who pop up immediately...

    ETA: and also JMO, I don't believe one is morally culpable for not reporting a person who has ever displayed "off" behavior. That person has a chance of going on to choose to do good instead of bad, too, especially if things start going in a positive direction for him; you can't be responsible for any choice he might do. Are you equally responsible for the kid down the street who ends up being an Eagle Scout?

    IMO, Gladys Kravitz 2 doors down probably wouldn't help two already disadvantaged kids with that nudge in the right direction (especially if still young and somewhat impressionable). Mean that in the best way (loved that character ;)).
     
  11. Inthedetails

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    I also have had vivid dreams all my life - sometimes good dreams, sometimes not. I had a scary one about this case this week. I was in a lovely park with my family, but everyone was separated. I knew K. was in the park - sometimes he was a man and sometimes an animal. I spent the dream trying to locate my family members and also tracking the predator. It was an awful dream with specific detail. My dreams often repeat themselves, and I'm really hoping this was a one-time only nightmare.

    This case is haunting and I want to see a good ending to it...and I think that's where we're headed.
     
  12. white rabbit

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    ok well in THAT picture the river looks deeper with a swifter current.

    in which case I really do wonder what NHF&G was hoping to find in there. and what they did find...

    :banghead:

    we know less in this case than in the mcstay case!!!

    :hills:
     
  13. tlcya

    tlcya Old and Tired Websleuth

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    lol White Rabbit. Try following the April Millsap case in Armada MI. LE won't even say where the body was found in that one. Talk about working with no info.
     
  14. white rabbit

    white rabbit Well-Known Member

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    I will NOT follow that case thank you very much. if I do, it will never be solved. curse of the rabbit.

    ;)
     
  15. bessie

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    The neighbor said: ‘I have known him for years and he was a very odd man. He would always talk to me about zombies and the zombie apocalypse. It was very unnerving. Most people round here avoided Nate.’

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...obsessed-zombie-apocalypse.html#ixzz39AWvkCyo [HR][/HR]Geez, this guy reminds me more and more of Stephen McDaniel. I'd be looking for his presence on a "chan" forum.

    Lauren Giddings
    [HR][/HR]McDaniel, he said, was fascinated, often obsessed, with asking people he’d meet two questions, questions to see if they were, in his opinion, sharp enough.

    The first question: Where would you go if there was a zombie invasion?

    “He’d want to know if you could find a defensible position and if you could find a place you wouldn’t run out of food easily. ... It was just a pure logistics question,” Money said. “Although he was completely convinced that a zombie invasion would happen.”

    http://www.macon.com/2011/08/30/1682872/ex-roommate-saw-2-sides-of-mcdaniel.html

    [HR][/HR]McD was also a Christian, survivalist, weapons enthusiast with strong right wing libertarian views. He also was an outspoken law school grad with a lifelong reputation of being "out there", and who happened to wear chainmail.




     
  16. Rivernh

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    That is Moose Brook, Moose Brook state park is just to the west of it, a little bit upstream (I'd say less than 1/2 mile). I used to swim at the state park when I was a girl--the water is very cold, the stream originates at Icy Gulch in Randolph, which is the water supply for part of Gorham and is running off from snow from Mt Washington. My memory of it at the park is that it is deep in places, and fast flowing in some places. I can't speak to how it's like behind NK's place, I never spent time in that part of it. It empties into the Androscoggin River, not very far from NK's place.....The Androscoggin is a larger river that eventually empties into the Atlantic Ocean in Bath Maine I believe.
     
  17. Steleheart

    Steleheart Moderator Staff Member Moderator

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    Thank you for that. IMO I agree they are not the same, however it would not be unheard of. Specialized agents can work for more than 1 agency and are called according to need. Some dogs are specially trained - this dog in Gorham is likely trained for scent tracking in water. I am no expert but I believe that would be a special trait for That Dog and That Handler as a team, and likely is not also used as a cadaver dog. We have some SAR experts on WS so if someone wants to weigh in then please do.

    my :cow:
     
  18. Max17

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    Terminus? :biggrin:

    Sorry couldn't resist. The Walking Dead.
     
  19. smc1225

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    In the picture on this site, you can clearly see the truck in the background with NH plates that says Caution: Police Dog K-9 Unit

    http://www.georgianewsday.com/news/...nandez-alleged-kidnapper-nathaniel-kibby.html
     
  20. Jacie Estes

    Jacie Estes Medical Marijuana Advocate

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    We need more Gladys Kravitzes in this world. LOL

    When we lived in Reno, NV there were meth labs in other townhouses in our complex, there was a biker club using one as a party house, there were 3 bodies laying on our premises, including 2 murderers shot by police and we had a bullet go through our first floor window [when I was home alone I stayed on the 3rd floor]. Police were so busy that not much was done when people did call.

     
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