GUILTY NH - AH, 14, North Conway, 9 October 2013 - #14

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  1. J Block

    J Block Maj. Crimes

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    The duty to preserve evidence begins once any state agency or actor has gathered and taken possession of evidence as part of a criminal investigation.

    Law enforcement doesn’t need to preserve all evidence it collects. The duty to preserve extends only to evidence that might be expected to play a significant role in the suspect’s defense: “material” and “exculpatory” evidence

    Per the Brady v. Maryland decision, prosecutors have a duty to disclose exculpatory evidence even if not requested to do so. Prosecution is not required to search for exculpatory evidence and must disclose only the evidence in its possession, custody, or control. The prosecution's duty is to disclose all information known to any member of its team (LE, investigators, crime lab, etc)

    IMO, Kibby's defense is crying about the lack of given in the affidavit of probable cause. This may just be a simple tactic to try to obtain as much info/evidence that LE has, in order to "level the playing field".

    I play for the good guys, not the bad guys. Maybe an attorney on board can explain this better.
     


  2. Fireweed

    Fireweed New Member

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    Since Kibby just barely got his arrest warrant and affidavit, I have a strong feeling that Kibby has not been able to check out any of the evidence that the DA has (so far).
     
  3. bessie

    bessie Verified Insider

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    Unless the user backed up the phone's data. Then texts should be retrievable.
     
  4. Not Without Peril

    Not Without Peril New Member

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    I agree. And that is precisely why Kibby would file a motion to preserve evidence that is potentially exculpatory, e.g., Abigail's text messages. He might anticipate a third-party-culprit defense. It would be in his interest to know who Abby was corresponding with prior to her disappearance and the substance of her correspondence. In the event that the records are destroyed, Kibby's ability to raise such a defense would be compromised or foreclosed.
     
  5. bessie

    bessie Verified Insider

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    :popcorn:
     
  6. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    As we've seen in cases involving cold cases, years ago, boxes of evidence were stored in hopes that, one day the evolving process of dna identification could help solve crimes.

    Readily /easier access may also be a factor here.
     
  7. white rabbit

    white rabbit Well-Known Member

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    long article...worth reading...

    http://www.conwaydailysun.com/newsx/local-news

    Just a few days before Nathaniel Kibby was charged with kidnapping Abby Hernandez, the Conway police chief and a reporter from the Sun were chatting with him at the police station.

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    The conversation in the police station lobby happened a few days before Kibby was charged with kidnapping. 
Kibby fretted about a bullet he thought the police might have lost. He also talked to Wagner about their mutual love of dogs. Kibby seemed to express some surprise that Wagner's dog is named Norman.
     
  8. white rabbit

    white rabbit Well-Known Member

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    http://www.concordmonitor.com/home/13028970-95/defense-state-spar-over-evidence-in-girls-kidnap

    In court papers filed yesterday, Nathaniel Kibby’s lawyer argues he needs to keep all the evidence preserved because he has so little information on why his client was arrested.

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    At a hearing today, the state plans to argue that it’s impossible to safeguard the trailer and storage unit without posting a 24-hour guard at the site and that by securing them offsite they will be better preserved. In court papers, state Attorney General Joe Foster said leaving the home and storage unit where they are would attract the curious and possibly vandals. The state says it will make every effort to preserve the other items listed in the defense papers.
     
  9. white rabbit

    white rabbit Well-Known Member

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    east2west New Member

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    AnaTeresa Well-Known Member

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    Let's not forget that they hacked into a kidnapping victim's phone and threw off an investigation by LE, and gave her parents false hope of being alive.
     
  13. AnaTeresa

    AnaTeresa Well-Known Member

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    That's basically what you do. As a defense attorney, if you don't do certain things like file motions to preserve some constitutional rights, the ability to appeal on the issue is lost. And, you can open yourself up to an ineffective assistance of counsel claim by the defendant if you do not vigorously attack the issue. So, from a procedural standpoint, you do file a lot of "kitchen sink" type motions.

    For example, in a DUI case where there is blood drawn, the defense attorney will automatically file a motion that has about ten or so points, alleging the blood wasn't drawn properly, it wasn't stored properly, etc. etc. At that point in the case, the attorney has no idea whether this is true or not. But there are deadlines for certain motions to be filed, and once past those dates, you lose your ability to address the issue. So a lot of procedural allegations are made by defense attorneys that can seem ridiculous or overbroad, but it's really run of the mill stuff.

    Regarding the defense motion to secure all evidence - it's a smart move. There are some items that LE might not currently have in their possession that could, down the road, be considered evidence. This prevents tampering or destruction by Abby or her family (note - I am not saying they would!). In addition, some tests can completely destroy an evidence sample, thus making it impossible for a defendant to have independent testing done; this motion would prevent that. Additionally, some items that are collected can be returned or discarded by LE if they are determined not to be evidence; this motion prevents that.

    As for the state wanting to move the home and storage unit, I don't find it all that shocking. Given the sheer amount of evidence I've seen seized in other cases, and the nature of this crime, I think it's natural to seize the storage unit. I know that seizing the home seems excessive, but it is far easier to prevent break ins/tampering/etc. to the mobile home if it is at an LE storage center than left where it is - it would cost a lot of money over time to continually guard and preserve the mobile home where it is for at least a year. This case is going to be a while; it probably won't go to trial for at least a year, but probably closer to two, if there are more charges forthcoming. So seizing the mobile home makes sense.
     
  14. SStarr33

    SStarr33 Inactive

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    Huh????
     
  15. white rabbit

    white rabbit Well-Known Member

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    thanks, east2west. bummer. I thought we could find it. am I not looking in the right place? the court is in ossipee?
     
  16. SStarr33

    SStarr33 Inactive

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    I don't think I have ever followed a kidnapping case before. Do they always station a police officer at the home where the victim was held until the case goes to trial?
     
  17. PoirotryInMotion

    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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    That's not good. What case was that? (I only follow a handful on here.)
     
  18. PoirotryInMotion

    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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    Printed Tuesday at 12:38 PM. This emergency hearing was decided after that (wasn't it?). Hopefully Twitterfeed will let us know.
     
  19. white rabbit

    white rabbit Well-Known Member

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    thanks poirotry. I vaguely remember a 10:00am mention...but I don't always recall correctly.

    :eek:
     
  20. PoirotryInMotion

    PoirotryInMotion Registered Muser

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    Well, you may be right, rabbit! I didn't read about the emergency hearing until late afternoon in here and on Twitter--just assumed that's when it was decided. But I'll keep checking Twitter and let you know when I see anything.
     
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