Discussion in 'The Unidentified' started by assaf1981, Jul 12, 2008.
Probably between 1943 and 1957
Roena’s daughter Clara Lou married Sardon Livings, William Livings’ grandson.
According to her obituary, she had 12 grandchildren and 10 great grandchildren.
I just want to double check, have all of these been accounted for? I have found it hard to find all of their names.
Lots and lots of this in Livings line, especially with the daughters. I am holding out hope that I can do rule outs based on marriage dates after 1979 but I really fear that Mom might be alive and searching for her daughter...
Clara Lou Burton's descendants have been eliminated as of now.
If the MC was born mid 70’s, her mom could plausibly be born between 1930-early 60’s. Although 40’s-mid 50’s more likely
I agree although I am learning more towards the late 40s to mid 50s
This case grips me because my mom's first marriage was around that time to a Rasmussen-type sociopath when she was 17. She says that they tend to go younger and younger... Just based on the ages of Marlyse and Denise I would put a guess that MC's mom was likely born between 1952 and 1958 and had MC in her late teens-early to mid 20's.
Headed to bed and probably won't be on for a while, but wanted to let you all know that Arthur and William have been eliminated from the Livings line and I am pretty close to eliminating most of Margaret's descendents as well.
Ok one more context thing before I go to bed... my mom's ex used a variety of aliases just like TPR did - to the point where her marriage and divorce records as well as the marriage record to my dad make her ridiculously hard to pin down if you don't know all the last names this ******* tried to claim were his... which in turn made it super hard for me to do things like apply to college or fill out visa applications, even though the only connection I have to this guy was that my mom was married to him 15 years before I was born. This might actually be the key to finding MC... if someone on one of our trees has multiple last names listed with the husband/ex impossible to track down and no kids for 10-15 years after the first marriage but has some in a second or third, I would see that circumstance as worthy of looking into.
Were you able to find any children for his son Lucien, who died in Chicago? I hit a dead end there, with my limited skills, so I'm curious where I went wrong.
And thanks for the updates
Have not been able to get that far yet. Have been mostly expanding tree based off known children so I have all the larger lines in place before doing official rule outs.
He was Arthur's son, which you said had been eliminated. Maybe I'm confused.
Clipping from Chicago Tribune - Newspapers.com
2 Arthur's I believe.
The thing is, affairs have always happened, unfortunately rapes have also always happened. Back before the 60's there was almost no way of dealing with/preventing pregnancies. We can't truly eliminate people based on official records because of the possibility that somewhere at some point in these enormous family trees, the incorrect paternity has been recorded and the Livings and Mitchell lines converged again without anyone knowing.
This is true. We also have to take into account that there were possible adoptions. With the mom's ex example that I brought up earlier, he was also adopted in addition to using like five different aliases. When I say it took months to get my college application stuff together because of all the aliases he used and I'm just a tangential connection, I can't imagine how difficult it would be if MC's mom were adopted to try and figure out where exactly they would fit in that line.
The pregnant girlfriend Rasmussen referred to in disparaging terms was Denise Beaudin.
I wonder if he knew D/L wasn't his.
Just accounted for Lucien's daughter... she has been in Chicago this whole time.