NJ - Costas 'Gus' Christofi, 55, shot to death, Alexandria Twp, 14 Feb 2002

The guy has a history of being careless with a firearm and needs to be punished just like you or I would be if we had a history of being careless with a firearm and an innocent person was killed.
 
Hi All,
Okay, so at the risk of sounding stupid: What is a 'shinebox'? They keep talking about a 'shinebox' in the Jayson Williams trial. Somehow I don't think they are referring to a shoeshine box. They talk about the movie 'Goodfellows' a lot, so I am thinking the expression is in that movie. I saw the movie but I don't remember.
Thanks,
 
joanie10 said:
Hi All,
Okay, so at the risk of sounding stupid: What is a 'shinebox'? They keep talking about a 'shinebox' in the Jayson Williams trial. Somehow I don't think they are referring to a shoeshine box. They talk about the movie 'Goodfellows' a lot, so I am thinking the expression is in that movie. I saw the movie but I don't remember.
Thanks,

Hi joanie10,
A shinebox is a refrence to a shoe shine box,
In goodfellows when joe pesci(sp) and robert dinero meet a fellow ganster in the bar who just got released from prison he was insulting pesci(sp?) and told him to go get his shinebox,
 
Thank you, goody34. I guess I expected it to be something not so simple.





goody34 said:
Hi joanie10,
A shinebox is a refrence to a shoe shine box,
In goodfellows when joe pesci(sp) and robert dinero meet a fellow ganster in the bar who just got released from prison he was insulting pesci(sp?) and told him to go get his shinebox,
 
joanie10, I agree that the case wasn't investigated properly. I also heard Dr. Lee's testimony and it appeared that this case was just not "a big deal." It is SO sad that some cases/verdicts depend on WHO you are and your financial status.
 
I didn't get to see the Jayson trial today. Got up late, went to doc with hubby, the drug store. I saw some bits and pieces of the Globetrotters on the stand. I would really be interested in your impressions. Didn't seem to me that Curly "Boo" Johnson saw much of anything. all he saw was after the fact from what I gathered.

I also was hoping as the trial moved on that I would understand why so many people who did nothing wrong lied. The only one who did anything wrong was Jayson. That is obvious. Yet for weeks they all lied as to where they all were.

I hope one day I will get a clue about this. lol
 
I also missed yesterday's and today's testimony. Could someone fills us in on what happened?

Thanks in advance!

d
 
mommyd,
What I saw yesterday, and so far today, they are talking with the ballistics expert about the gun. From what I gathered, so far, it is not all that easy to accidently fire that gun. Or am I wrong about that? The gun was in good condition because, after firing it a number of times, they didn't feel it neccessary to dismantle it because it wasn't misfiring. The guy on Court TV said the gun has a double click trigger. Correct me if I am wrong, the safety has to be taken off and the trigger has to be clicked twice in order to fire it.

I don't know a whole lot about guns. This is my impression.



mommyd said:
I also missed yesterday's and today's testimony. Could someone fills us in on what happened?

Thanks in advance!

d
 
I really wonder if Jayson Williams was up to some kind of shady dealings. He kept calling Gus a "Stoolie". I realize this may be another reference to the gangster lifestyle that Williams was so anxious to portray, however, I wonder if there is more to this. Gus was an outsider and seemed to be sitting back observing everything. He could have seemed like a threat to a paranoid person who is up to no good. Just a thought...
 
Yeah, he could have been very paranoid due to drug use too! We all know that there were large amounts of alcohol consumed but I've heard reports that cocaine was involved as well. That's not "official" of course.

As for the gun, I saw a report with Vinnie Politan (sp???) of CourtTV and a gun expert and he did say that it was very unlikely that this particular gun would misfire. It did have a double click safety thing on it but I thought he said that you pulled the trigger once to take it off safety and then pulled the trigger again to fire the gun. ( I may be getting the report wrong, please correct me if I am!) If that is true, then Jayson would have had to pull the trigger twice in order to have shot Gus.

So, any opinions on who was the strongest witness for the State?

d
 
Is anyone else wondering what the hello these lawyers... on BOTH sides... are trying to pull in this case?? :waitasec:

We've heard from Henry Lee... and we have to wonder "why?" What did his testimony add to this case AT ALL? Do people remember the theatrical *advertiser censored* he made of himself in the Michael Peterson trial? Yes... even Henry Lee is now a high priced call girl. Guess we can't call them prostitutes considering what they make... you know, like exotic dancer versus stripper. :rolleyes: I was really waiting for him to pour ketchup on his stomach and chest and take the role of Gus like he took the role of Kathleen Peterson. :mad:

The facts about WHO was holding the gun that went off, WHO was shot dead, and WHERE the victim fell and died have NEVER been in dispute since before the trial began. Now the defense wants us to hear ramblings from Michael Baden who made an *advertiser censored* of himself a couple of months ago in the manslaughter case of Seymour Schuss, suggesting that perhaps (victim)Mr. Rosenburg had an aneurism coincidentally at exactly the same moment he was knocked to the ground by Schuss and struck his head on concrete. Had that testimony come from a fully qualified forensic pathologist no one had ever heard of, it would have drawn audible laughter from the jury box. But because Baden has some unnatural reputation as GOD of forensic pathology, his testimony actually caused one juror hold out and the jury hung... once again proving that "justice" is for sale. :furious:

Now the defense for Jayson Williams has put Baden on the stand to weave more tales for sale. And they have at least the intent of putting on Cyril Wecht as well! Having lived the biggest part of my life in and around Allegheny county, I know exactly what Cyril Wecht is all about. It would take a book to cover all the cases in which he has made an *advertiser censored* of himself. Yesterday someone in the hearing read a quote from his report in the Williams case that went something like (paraphrased) "The DNA on the gun is not consistent with the gun having been wiped down and an attempt made to put Mr. Cristofi's prints on it." :waitasec: Guess what genius! Fully twelve people, present at the scene, would beg to differ. Even if his statement is scientifically accurate (which is kind of scary considering the number of cases that hinge on DNA with NO eyewitness), it is completely irrelevant since we KNOW that did indeed happen. :banghead:

And since when have forensic pathologists become crime scene specialists? Is anyone going to point out that they are NOT? We know Gus is dead. We know Jayson Williams was the man holding the gun when the blast from it blew a hole in Gus that was not survivable.

What we need to know, and of course the jurors need to know, is whether the gun malfunctioned or the shooter malfunctioned. I can't see any way for Williams to avoid the charges of reckless behavior or obstructing justice. We need to see where the line is drawn between intentionally reckless and just stupidly reckless. We don't need Henry Lee, Michael Baden, or Cyril Wecht to render any bought-and-paid-for opinion to determine that.
 
Well said, Babs! :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
I guess y'all saw today that Jayson didn't testify?!!!! I think his lawyer spoke a little too soon about that in his opening statement, huh? :loser:
 
Mommyd, I always thought his lawyer was grandstanding about JW going to testify but I had this little teensy open corner of mind that maybe he would. I think over-promising was a tactical error by the defense. Pros. is bringing in a rebuttal witness on the gun so that should be interesting. What a waste of lives.
 
Unless I misunderstood, didn't the talking heads on Court TV say they think the Defense is going to go for a mistrial? If it is granted it will have to be done all over again! We know JW did it. It's just a matter of whether he intended to or not. I'm not sure I will watch it a second time. I find the balistics stuff a tad bit boring.
 
I think Jayson intentionally killed Gus.......but I think the Prosecuter really screwed up and the Defense may get their mistrial....ugg...This trial is boring.
 
joanie10 said:
We know JW did it. It's just a matter of whether he intended to or not. I'm not sure I will watch it a second time. I find the balistics stuff a tad bit boring.

I've only been watching bits and pieces of this trial on CourtTV when there is nothing else on so forgive me if I have this wrong, but I thought the main emphasis of the prosecution's case was NOT whether he shot Gus or meant to shoot him (it seems pretty clear that he did and that it was probably an accident due to drunken carelessness), but that he and his buddies left the poor man to die on the floor while they ran around trying to COVER UP what had happened and to make it look like Gus had commited suicide. If they had called 911 immediately and at least attempted to admiinister first aid -- apply pressure to stop the bleeding, make sure his airways were cleared, or simply comfort him -- there is the possiblity that Gus would have lived. They were all so busy trying to save their own a$$e$ and had total disregard for this man's life. IMO, all of the people in that room that night are responsible for Gus's death and I hope Jayson Williams get life in prison.
 
Did you all know that Jayson Williams' wife is going to give birth to a new baby any day. She is over-due. That could make a slight impact.

The trial did get real slow there, but when they were doing the testimony of the people at the house that night it was riveting.
 
mindys said:
Did you all know that Jayson Williams' wife is going to give birth to a new baby any day. She is over-due. That could make a slight impact.

The trial did get real slow there, but when they were doing the testimony of the people at the house that night it was riveting.

Just heard that they had a baby girl, born yesterday, named WHIZDOM! :eek:
 
Wow, she carried her pregnancy well. It must have been difficult to be pregnant during the trial....ekks
 

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