NJ - Detective Joseph Seals, slain, 5 others killed including 2 suspects, Jersey City, 9 Dec 2019

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  1. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    That's great to know. Thanks for the information Kaen.

    All of the victims must be honored, and given the utmost respect, and dignity.

    Jmho
     


  2. epiphany

    epiphany Well-Known Member

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    Channel 4 NY:

    Began when undercover officers approached suspects re a (possibly gang) situation that involved investigating a murder/previous homicide.

    Not a terror incident. Not a hate crime.
     
  3. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    (I’m really ticked off all there is politics on all the live news TV stations right now- Boooooo mooo)
     
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  5. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    Can someone pls help find a non FB link for the PC, says it might start late? Tia.
     
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  6. epiphany

    epiphany Well-Known Member

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    How many undercover officers were at the cemetery when the 2 suspects were approached?

    The cemetery was about a half mile from the deli.
     
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  7. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    epiphany Well-Known Member

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    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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  10. epiphany

    epiphany Well-Known Member

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    Jersey City Mayor:

    Detective Joe Seals (sp?): Deceased veteran (possibly/approx 15 yrs) PO, husband & father of 5 children

    Chief Kelly:

    Call came in that shots were fired

    Engaged LE with high power rifle fire

    At same time, call came in that officer was down in nearby area (cemetery)

    Perimeter set up; Called for city wide assist; other counties jumped in, State Police, NYPD, FBI

    Gunfire exchanged for hours - 2 more officers hit

    Crime Scene: 3 locations, at least

    1 stolen vehicle - the U-Haul Van

    Don't know details re plains clothes detective and interactions with suspects at cemetery

    No inkling what motive was yet
     
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  11. LadyL

    LadyL Well-Known Member

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    wow what a great organization
    I had never heard of them
     
  12. kaen

    kaen Trying to be a good human.

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    They are very active in the NYC area, especially when tragedies hit. There have been instances where medical examiners want to do autopsies which would mean that the burial couldn't happen in accordance with Jewish law and these folks have stepped up to help in the education and handling of the bodies. In criminal investigations an autopsy might be mandatory or needed for insurance investigations, so this group helps to expedite if possible.
     
  13. Hatfield

    Hatfield Well-Known Member

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    Thanks everyone for the links. I had seen various reports how long the shooting between the suspects and LE lasted.

    In this link below if you go a little ways down there is a video clip where you can click on it and hear some of the large amount of gunfire at the Deli location.

    "Gunfire broke out around 12:30 p.m., local time, and lasted for about two and a half hours. At least one of the shooters was armed with a long gun, according to the New York Times."

    Multiple Dead After Chaotic, Hours-Long Shootout in Jersey City
     
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  14. SoCalDavidS

    SoCalDavidS Well-Known Member

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    Not really, it's just Tuesday in America. If people want the madness to end (it won't), they need to send more Thoughts & Prayers.
     
  15. margarita25

    margarita25 Well-Known Member

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    This explains references in the basement I didn’t understand at the time
     
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  16. oceanblueeyes

    oceanblueeyes Well-Known Member

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    I'm not sure what you even mean, but I respectfully disagree it's just another day in America.

    I still stand by my previous post you quoted.

    Our overall homicide rate has steadily declined in the past 6 or 7 years.

    If you are referring to it's normal if these suspects were gang related then I do agree its typical for gang members to shoot others every day unfortunately.

    Jmhoo
     
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  17. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    This drug deal gone wrong scenario, seems to have some problems with it.

    These two were apparently dressed in black, carrying semi-automatic rifles, and had pipe bomb devices in their possession.

    It’s also odd that they intentionally shot innocent people when the alleged drug deal went wrong.

    Factor in the Jewish deli, and this looks like something else entirely.
     
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  18. NJSleuth91

    NJSleuth91 Former Member

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    Yup, doesn't sound like your average drug deal gone wrong does it....

    Jersey City shooting: Police officer among 6 killed in shooting, standoff; Suspects dead

    (Sorry this page has a very annoying autoplay video...why is that a thing)

    "Authorities say what looks like an inert pipe bomb was spotted in the U-Haul, and there was also a search going on at a house on Eastern Parkway where another inert pipe bomb was found -- though the connection is unclear."

    Super weird to see the street I used to live on mentioned on Websleuths....

    I have a lot of friends and acquaintances in JC. All are ok but someone I know is a teacher at a nearby school and was on lockdown for several hours.

    It's high crime but not THAT high crime. It's like an "ok to walk in the daytime, probably not at night" neighborhood. Daytime shootouts of any kind are not a common occurrence. In general the murder rate in Jersey City is very low, especially compared to how it used to be in the 80s/90s.
     
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  19. Tippy Lynn

    Tippy Lynn Well-Known Member

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    Yeah....I’m anxious to hear the rest of the story.
     
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  20. MassGuy

    MassGuy The Monsters Aren’t The Ones Beneath The Bed

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    It’s just weird, because it doesn’t come close to cleanly fitting either mold.

    A drug deal doesn’t typically devolve into a mass shooting, nor do people show up to drug deals dressed in black, with inert pipe bombs, and carrying conspicuous weapons.

    But an act of terrorism or a mass shooting in general, doesn’t begin the way this once apparently did (in a cemetery, with some sort of transaction going on).

    So it’s weird as all hell.
     

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