AMBER ALERT NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #3

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  1. sf618b

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    imstilla.grandma ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ Believer of Miracles

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    I was thinking along similar lines earlier. I was thinking about checking the real estate listings for dense areas of empty properties. Your idea is more focused and sensible.
     
  3. MsFacetious

    MsFacetious What a Kerfuffle...

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    That's fine but law enforcement has specifically stated that this vehicle is not involved. So if you believe it is, that is okay. However since they've been cleared by law enforcement I believe moderators have told us they are off limits for discussion here.
     
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    Yes, that's what I meant. As opposed to just running away.
     
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    Thanks for the reminder for everyone that doesn’t know I learned that quickly( im nor the smoothest ) ;)
     
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    Just trying to catch up, and though I will google... I'm kinda wondering, exactly how did LE rule this vehicle out? I've seen a few cases where we were told XYZ was ruled out, only to find out often decades later how very relevant that XYZ was, and how LE missed it at the time of the active investigation for some reason or other. The case that comes to mind here is the Wetterling case. They had interviewed Jacob's abductor some months after the abduction and somehow decided he wasn't the guy. If I'm not mistaken (and I need coffee, so I might be), but didn't LE also have the perp's tire tracks in that case, and somehow still rule out his car as being involved? I'm not saying they've screwed anything up here - just asking - how did they decide to rule this vehicle out?
     
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    I still haven't read anywhere in MSM that LE said the red van was in the park. Only that her brother pointed to the buildings when asked where she had gone and we assumed that the van was parked behind the building.

    Also, the person who provided the description of the man and the van has never been identified by LE as being in the park, LE only has said that 24 people from the basketball court were interviewed. We have assumed from that information that a person (as described by the bb players) came to the playground, gestured to DMA to come to him, that he took her behind the buildings and put her into a red van and left.

    LE and MSM has never said any of that have they?
     
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    Yes, but by then she would have known what the three year old said to her and to LE.
    We don't know what he said, but police believe she was "lured" away and abducted.
    It doesn't matter if she ran or walked slowly, that was just the way the mom described it. Imo
     
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    Absolutely they cleared it. They specifically said this red SUV was investigated and ruled out. I am assuming they found it, and it was driven by some law abiding person who had a legit reason to stop by the park.
     
  10. MsBetsy

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    I'm guessing they spoke to the driver and found they had no connection to the case. It may have been someone dropping off or picking up their kids at the park.

    They probably have several vehicles captured on camera that need to be investigated.

    The only reason they had to make a statement about the SUV is because a news channel printed a story stating the SUV was used in the abduction and that authorities had released the video, which was innaccurate. Imo
     
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    That was one of the first interviews from the same day Dulce went missing. I think when she first went missing they thought Dulce might of ran off. The Amber Alert didn’t come out until the next evening. IMO that’s why the mother said I don’t know why she just ran. JMO
     
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    That makes sense. If she didn't know the details yet then it explains why she would say that. IMO
     
  13. Trackergd

    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    I wonder if the areas Catholic Priests would be willing to receive tips from the community and then pass them on to LE. Would the community feel more comfortable passing on information to a Priest?
     
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    The red Van/SUV was caught on video entering the park and 4 minutes later exiting the park at the exact time frame that Dulce went missing.
    Video del vehículo que se habría llevado a Dulce María
     
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    According to media reports, that vehicle, an SUV, has been investigated and found to be unrelated to the incident . From the statements made, I think this was just someone who happened to be near there at that time, but not at the spot where the kidnapping took place
     
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    Driver probably came forward when realized it was them or video somewhere got license plate and driver cleared my guess.
     
  17. Rosiebones

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    I agree. That red car was cleared by LE and is no longer mentioned in MSG and references to it were removed from this thread.
     
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    Yes this is so disturbing. Pedophillia is not a sexual orientation. It’s a crime.

    Pedophilia and DSM-5: The Importance of Clearly Defining the Nature of a Pedophilic Disorder
    “In the face of significant criticism of its inclusion in the DSM-5, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) has stated its intention to remove the term Pedophilic Sexual Orientation from the diagnostic manual.”
    Continued...
    “Experiencing ongoing sexual attractions to prepubescent children is, in essence, a form of sexual orientation, and acknowledging that reality can help to distinguish the mental makeup that is inherent to Pedophilia, from acts of child sexual abuse.”

    This us what Epstein recently claimed about attraction to young girls. It’s a scary day when this thinking makes its way into medical diagnostic standards. Shame on APA. No credibility anymore imo.
     
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    I believe it was reported Dulce brother Manuel is the one who mentioned the mystery person motioned to Dulce to come here to him. Perhaps the same person who knocked the popsicle from his hand?

    I’m not convinced all of the witnesses were necessarily the basketball players. In the below video where the officers/agents are walking the scene with what is believed to be witnesses -there is a small boy holding hands with law enforcement (face blurred) some assume it is Manuel. There is also a woman in a tie dye shirt (face blurred) -to me she seemed more of a mom type figure than someone that would have been playing basketball. Perhaps she was either picking up or dropping off to the park/basketball court and saw something?

     
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    IMO that's a great idea! I think the community would be much more comfortable talking to a priest.

    For that matter why not set up a hotline in a local church for people to call. Guarantee anonymity and let the priest be the go-between?
     
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