AMBER ALERT NJ - Dulce Mariá Alavez, 5, abducted at Bridgeton City Park, Cumberland County, 16 Sept 2019 #5

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  1. 958pm

    958pm Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the video reminder. Every time I see that video I see something/hear something else. It just dawned on me, however, that those women were very likely not playing basketball. There were two dozen people on the court. I’m assuming men were playing in groups and probably serious fast pace rec games. That would explain why they didn’t see anything ...running back and forth..eye on the ball. So, we have NO information except what our child of tender years has reported. What were these women doing at the time...but more importantly, WHAT did they witness that is not being conveyed to anyone publicly. Something of relevance and importance to be a “witness”. Unless, they are witnesses to everything after the fact...are all people who were at the park then considered witnesses?
     
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  2. Han

    Han Well-Known Member

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    Dulce and her 3-year-old brother headed for the playground while her mom and an 8-year-old relative remained in the car. The 3-year-old returned in tears minutes later and pointed to a spot near the playground where he last saw his sister.

    They were the only kids at the playground at the time, police previously noted. The playground is still being built, though no work was being done at the time.

    A few dozen people were playing basketball on courts next to the playground. All were interviewed by police.

    Sprawling N.J. park where 5-year-old Dulce Alavez went missing is tough place to search, officials say
     
  3. sillybilly

    sillybilly WS Administrator Staff Member Administrator Moderator

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    Thank you so much flowoftime. Your photos are greatly appreciated and they certainly give members a much better perspective of the area.
     
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  4. MsBetsy

    MsBetsy Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I would think anyone who was at the park would be a witness.
    We have not heard anything about the last three witnesses who were interviewed or what information the FBI obtained from Dulce's father in Mexico. At this point LE has said no one has been cleared. Imo
     
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  5. Steelslady

    Steelslady Justice for Kelsey

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    Thank you for these amazing photos. So the car wasn't that far away from the playground at all. These photos were so helpful to visualize distance and what could be seen from Dulce's Mom's car.
     
  6. Steelslady

    Steelslady Justice for Kelsey

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    Now, going by those awesome photos- what is going through my mind now is the search dog that picked up her scent for around an hour. @Trackergd told us that an hour is a long time to follow the scent. I wonder how far the dog got when he/she lost the scent.

    Some folks are thinking that Dulce is in the woods inside the park somewhere. I don't know what to think myself. If only LE would clarify details, such as how far the dog picked up her scent, if they found any foot prints of Dulce and the suspect(s) where the dog continued to pick up her scent, were there any tire tracks before or near where the dog lost the scent.

    Going by those photos, one can see just how easy it would be for someone to lure a child away between those buildings.

    I'm curious about the witness(es) that told Dulce's mother that two men were chasing after her. I wonder what made Dulce run in the opposite direction from her mother's car- if those witnesses or witness was right- maybe they cornered her so she had to run in a different direction. If so, her foot prints and scent is possibly the reason why the dog found one and kept going for almost an hour. What's sad is, wouldn't she have screamed for help? Where is her ice cream cup and spoon?

    I am sure I am not the only one who's mind is swirling, after seeing those photos.
     
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    Great photos! Thank you for taking the time to do this. Appreciated!
     
  8. flowoftime

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    No problem guys. One thing i wanted to mention is i couldnt believe the number of little kids that looked 4-10 yrs old with absolutely no parents in sight. It made me upset knowing what just happened.
     
  9. HayLouise

    HayLouise Law Student

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    Trackergd SAR Search Manager and Footprint Tracker

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    Thanks for the pictures flowoftime! That is real "boots on the ground" investigation work! It really helps me get my head into the location. I agree with others that there are a number of good spots to stay out of sight and one really good one to watch the playground.
     
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    What I had imagined is nothing like the reality of the photos.

    I have to say that it's disturbing to me that those buildings are so close to a park. I was definitely not expecting to see what amounts to a quarter-block of homes. They're so close to each other, they might as well be attached.

    If a child ran behind or on the side of those buildings, anything could happen and no one would see it.

    It makes me think someone took advantage of this fact. And I think it was a stranger who was waiting for the right opportunity.
     
  12. MsBetsy

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    Wow, that is pretty scary, considering one of their own has just disappeared from there.
    It just goes to show that it's not uncommon that parents don't watch their kids.
    I would think they would be extra careful now. I sure would be.
     
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    jjenny Well-Known Member

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    Mother never said that two men were chasing after Dulce. Dispatcher is the one who made that claim. Whatever mother was saying on 911 call was hearsay, and dispatcher was paraphrasing mother's hearsay and adding her own details that mother didn't even say.
     
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    Well, we actually do. Per the DA, the witness to the red van story is a child of tender years, so authorities are not "married" to this story. If there were additional adult witnesses, I am sure that story would have been considered much more credible. So one witness, a child of tender years, claim to have seen her being lured into a red van, and that's it.
     
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    Yes, that's the way I understand it, but some have suggested it was a different child who provided the description of the man and the red van.
    The only children that have been mentioned are the three year old and the young boy they interviewed later, but that was long after the description had been given. Imo
     
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    Yes, police never mentioned two men chasing her. The description is only of one light-skinned hispanic male. Imo
     
  17. Rosiebones

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    I am conflicted as to whether she was taken away in a vehicle or walked/carried deeper into the park by someone, or for that matter did she just run on her own, deeper into the woods/water.
    Anyway, thinking that she was taken deeper into the woods/water by someone, I wonder if the park checked to see if any of the trash cans normally situated along side a trail are missing. Could she have been killed, put into a trash container and put into one of the many areas of water or was she picked up on a trash pick up day. MOO MOO MOO
     
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    I just hopped over here from the Alhora thread where we experienced a wonderful outcome. I was hoping for something similar here but unfortunately not.

    Thank you Flow for the pictures. I have to admit, my heart sank when I saw them. There are so many places to sit and watch and not be seen. Now I get it. I get it but it only makes me sadder to be honest. I understand why there are no visuals of this guy.

    Sigh....where are you Dulce?
     
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    Flowoftime, awesome pics! So helpful! I’m wondering where those dense woods lead to. Roads, waterways, both? As you said Flow, many kids unsupervised - even now. If the perp noticed this behaviour as typical, maybe it was premeditated. :(
     
  20. Steelslady

    Steelslady Justice for Kelsey

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    The saddest part of all is that this child of tender years is probably correct in what happened, but because the Mom said he was non-verbal, it's put seeds of doubt in many posters' minds. Again, LE needs to clarify these issues- the public is now probably not taking this serious as before, because details keep getting added or discounted.
     
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