NM NM - Arden Bogart, 18, Santa Fe, 11 Feb 1988

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  1. Gozer Jr

    Gozer Jr New Member

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    My third cousin, Arden Bogart Jr, who has been missing for nearly 20 years
    www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bogart_arden.html


    Details of Disappearance
    Bogart, a native of Lima, Ohio, was traveling with a friend in February 1988. He was last seen on Interstate 25 between the New Mexico cities of Santa Fe and Pecos on February 11. He has never been heard from. Bogart disappeared under unknown circumstances. Foul play is suspected in his disappearance. Some agencies state that Bogart was last seen in Needles, California. Santa Fe police are investigating.

    I would like to discuss, if anyone is intersted
     
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  3. Taximom

    Taximom Former Member

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    Hi Gozer Jr. I'm sorry to hear about your missing relative.

    Where were he and his friend headed? How were they travelling? Were the police helpful?

    Do you have an idea about what might have happened?

    I hope some policeman or detective is still trying to solve this one.
     
  4. meggilyweggily

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    I live near Lima and saw an Arden Bogart Sr. listed in the phone book there. The missing guy's father, I assume? I would like to know more details on his case; all that I know I listed in his Charley Project casefile.
     
  5. Gozer Jr

    Gozer Jr New Member

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    My third cousin, Arden Bogart Jr, who has been missing for nearly 20 years

    www.charleyproject.org/cases/b/bogart_arden.html


    Details of Disappearance

    Bogart, a native of Lima, Ohio, was traveling with a friend in February 1988. He was last seen on Interstate 25 between the New Mexico cities of Santa Fe and Pecos on February 11. He has never been heard from. Bogart disappeared under unknown circumstances. Foul play is suspected in his disappearance. Some agencies state that Bogart was last seen in Needles, California. Santa Fe police are investigating.




    I thought these cases looked like possibilites. Can we discuss?
    Case #1

    This one really gets me every time
    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/663umnv.html

    I mean come on, compare the pictures

    http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/images/ABogart.jpg
    Arden

    and

    http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/images/663UMNV.jpg

    the guy from that case.
    They are both of a similar age, race, weight, hair color and glasses and were both located in relation to each other. The only difference is the eye color, but according to the unidentifed victim all they found were skeletal remains, so the eye color could be wrong.

    Case 2
    This one is more of a stretch:
    http://www.doenetwork.org/hot/hotcase183.html


    The hair color, race and height all seem to be a match as well as the geographical location.

    And no the police havent been very helpful (at least to me). I started making inquests in to this case last June. I emailed the Chief of Police in Santa Fe and recived this email in reply

    Mr. Maxwell,


    Lieutenant Gary Johnson from our Investigations Bureau is going to be the person who has the most knowledge about this investigation. I am going to refer your e-mail to him so that he can get back in touch with you. Unfortunately, we do not release any documents on cases that are still considered open, although he will be able to provide you with more information. Lt. Johnson can also be reached at (505) 955-5038 if you have any further questions.



    Thank you,



    Chief Eric B. Johnson

    Santa Fe Police Department

    (505) 955-5010



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Ryan M. Maxwell [mailto:daleklover@sbcglobal.net]
    Sent: Wednesday, June 14, 2006 10:20 PM
    To: JOHNSON, ERIC B.
    Subject: The disapearnce of Arden Bogart Jr.




    Sir-





    My name is Ryan Maxwell, and my father, Michael Maxwell, recently related to me the story of his cousin Arden Bogart Jr. (seen here on the website The Doe Network http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1160dmnm.html) I am writing to ask what procedures I would have to go through in order to receive information such as the police report of his disappearnce, etc. I know very little about FOIA but I wasnt sure if thats what I should use or not. Any information pertaining to how I could receive any and all documents on my fathers cousin would be greatly appreciated.





    Yours truly,





    Ryan M. Maxwell

    I have called, and emailed Lt. Johnson countless times and received no replys whatsoever. I do realize that this is a nearly 20 year old missing persons case and that he has alot of other things to do, but I think just once he could have returned a call or an email. It seems no matter when I call that the receptionist tells me he isnt at his desk. Any and all help and advice you guys could give me with my search is greatly appreciated, thank you. Dont let Arden be forgotten.

    Ryan
     
  6. LisainWV

    LisainWV New Member

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    Hi!! Sorry to hear yet another story of a missing loved one. I can't imagine...

    My comment on your possible match is this...

    If Arden still had the same glasses as in his photo and if they put the actual glasses they found with the John Doe, they don't match. I do admit, based on looks and stats, he looks like a possibility. Have you sent this to LE?

    Was Arden a skier?

    Who was he travelling with and where is this person now? Honestly, how do you just "lose" someone who is travelling with you.

    What was their destination?
     
  7. Gozer Jr

    Gozer Jr New Member

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    I am in touch with a woman from the doe network who is talking to his LE (What does that stand for by the way thats been bugging me?) I havent mentioned it to her yet, because she is supposed to hear back any day now about what was in Arden's file, and I want to see what she can tell me first.

    I honestly know nothing about him or his personality. I only discovered this case this past summer, and nobody in my family likes to talk about it, and it also doesnt help that almost all of his family (mother, father and siblings) have passed away)

    I don't know who he was travelling with, thats one of the things I'm hoping to learn from the LE, I do know this person did make it back to Arden's hometown of Lima alive though. And as far how he "lost" Arden, from what I understand, he and Arden had stopped in Santa Fe (or nearby) and went to a shopping mall, seperated, and agreed to meet at a later time, and Arden never showed up. I've also heard that it was a possibiltiy that Arden and this other person got into a fight and split up for awhile and never reconnected.

    Again, another missing piece in the puzzle. I'm just going crazy waiting to hear something from the Doe Network. I'll keep you guys posted!!
     
  8. LisainWV

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    Interesting story. My guess is finding this "friend" and getting LE to talk to him/her again may really shed some light.

    LE = Law Enforcement. It took me a while to get that one too. I probably asked as well.
     
  9. Gozer Jr

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    Wow, I cant belive I didnt catch the meaning on LE, it seems so obvious now!!:D
     
  10. Gozer Jr

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    Bumping him for this, his 19th anniversary
     
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    Hi Ryan,

    Have you contacted the Doe Network to see if the unidentified that you noticed have been investigated as possible matches? If not, you might want to start there.

    As far as getting the police to respond to you, I would e-mail or call that chief of police again and see what he says this time. Let me know his response, and I will follow up with an e-mail also. Maybe if we get a little game of e-mail tag going with him or the good Lieutenant, you will get the information you need to proceed. Like you said, I'm sure he has other cases, but to not respond one single time in 8 months is a bit negligent.

    Let me know, and I'll be happy to try to help in any way I can.

    Barb
     
  12. Gozer Jr

    Gozer Jr New Member

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    My third cousin, Arden Bogart Jr dissapeared in Feb. of 1988 from Santa Fe, NM. I once had the police report read to me over the phone, but I would like an actual physical copy of any all records and files pertaining to the case because I am trying to launch an independant investigation with the help of a Private Investigator.. I spoke to someone in the police records and they said that if I were to submit a FOIA request, all I would be able to receive would be the same generic records that any member of the public could get, but if I were to submit a subpoena, I would be able to get any and all records pertaining to his case. She directed me to the website for the New Mexico State Law Libray's form website (http://fscll.org/distciv.htm) where I found the form called "subpoena for production and inspection". This looks like the form I need, but I am not a lawyer by any stretch of the imagination. Please tell me If I am even headed in the right direction. Thank you very much, and I look forward to hearing from you soon.
     
  13. Auramyst

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    Next time I go to Santa Fe I will check the public archives and see what if I can find any information on Arden's disappearance.

    I'm praying for Arden's safe return
     
  14. Sin City

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    I lived in Santa Fe from 1983 till 1994, and I do not remember there being many crimes against strangers. I do not know the official statistics, however from my experience living there I would tend to believe that if AB met with foul play it was from someone he was aquainted with.

    It would be nice to have some clear details of this case. There was/is not much of anything between Santa Fe and Pecos. There were/are two malls in Santa Fe in 1988.

    Gozer, feel free to private message me, if I can be of any assistance. I only get to Santa Fe twice a year however.
     
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    https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/21646/
    Status Missing
    First name Arden
    Middle name
    Last name Bogart, Jr.
    Nickname/Alias
    Date last seen February 11, 1988 00:00
    Date entered 08/29/2013
    Age last seen 19 to years old
    Age now 45 years old
    Race White
    Ethnicity
    Sex Male
    Height (inches) 72.0
    Weight (pounds) 170.0
    Dental Status: Dental information / charting is available and will be entered later
    DNA Status: Initial inquiry underway
    Fingerprint Information Status: Fingerprint information is currently not available

    Arden has been missing for 27 years now.
     
  16. Gozer Jr

    Gozer Jr New Member

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    Bumping it up to the top now. I've learned A LOT more about Arden's case since I first posted and if anyone is interested I could share what I've got so far
     
  17. Laughing

    Laughing Well-Known Member

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    Gozer, jr, we are always interested here at Websleuths!

    To start, which mall; or was the mall claim dis-proven? Can you tell us the other person's name? Seriously, we're all ears!
     
  18. Betty P

    Betty P Well-Known Member

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    Please do share. Many of us here at Websleuths live in Ohio and would like to help in any way we can. So sad to think of the disappearance of such a healthy young man with his life ahead of him.
     
  19. Gozer Jr

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    The mall aspect has been completely disproved. [FONT=&quot]I know a fair amount. Arden had been visiting a friend in Long Beach, CA (or possibly San Diego, the friend lived in Long Beach though). They were both from Lima, OH and they were on a trip to take Arden back to Ohio. Arden, and his friend (who I'll call "John" for anonymity) made several collect calls to Arden's parents along the way.[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Feb 8. 1988- Needles, CA
    Feb 9. 1988- Wagon Mound, NM
    Feb 10. 1988(The day before Arden is reported missing) Santa Fe, NM
    Feb 10, 1988 Albuquerque, NM
    Feb 11. 1988- Kingman, AZ
    Feb 11, 1988- Joshua Tree, CA
    Feb 15, 1988- 29 Palms, CA[/FONT]

    [FONT=&quot]According to police record in the call Arden made in Needles on the 8th he stated there car had broken down. I assume all calls made after that were made by John. John called Arden's father (presumably the call made from Santa Fe on the 10th) and told him that the car had broken down in Santa Fe and they pulled over to the side of the road to attempt to fix the vehicle. He then said that Arden had wanted to climb a mountain and while John worked on the car Arden walked off and that was the last John ever saw of him. John claims he looked for Arden but his story is not very credible at all because he mentions such things as demons, talking animals and hearing voices, etc. John had also mentioned in his interview with investigators that Arden was using crystal (which I take to mean crystal meth, though I didn't think it was that big in 1988) and that they were both interested in satanism and joining a satanic cult so I don't put too much stock into anything John says. Here's where things get VERY interesting though, John claimed he reported the disappearance to the Santa Fe Police, the Las Vegas, NM police, and the New Mexico state police, and we have proven 100% that he never reported the case to anyone. The only way the case was ever reported was by Arden's father after John had called him. Another very suspicious thing, I spoke to John for the very first (and last) time last year and he told me he had also been questioned by the FBI about the case, which we're about 99% certain is not true. The detective working for the Santa Fe PD and his case manager on NAMUS both agree that there is no reason to suspect that the FBI ever had anything to do with the case . So the last person to see Arden alive likely is/was a drug addict and lied not only about reporting the case, but also about being interviewed by the FBI relating to the case. Sorry for the wall of text, but I'm just going by memory. This is a map I made pinpointing all the collect calls I mentioned earlier)[/FONT]
     
  20. MelmothTheLost

    MelmothTheLost Well-Known Member

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    [FONT=&amp]

    OK, have I understood this correctly? The two men drove between a third and half of the way home. Then one or both more or less turned round and drove almost back to their starting point.
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    Assuming "John" is/was around the same age as Arden, the first thing that comes to mind is the onset of schizophrenia, whether or not drug-induced. Could "John" have killed Arden during an acute paranoid or psychotic state? That might then account for the irrationality of going back the way he had come.
     
  21. msmithca858

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    Hi Gozer, There seems to be very little, or nothing on this one. What have you learned?
     

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